Originally Posted by Detoxing:
I'm stating the stats as they've been laid out. Sorry if that bursts anyone's bubble.
I expected to see additions to the defense. Not lateral moves and downgrades.
But that's what we got, outside of Tyrann.
I didn't say that i didn't like this move. I'm glad they found a JAG to fill the hole. Great.
It's a "whatever" till they find something better.
Sorry that im not going full homer over replacing JAGs with JAGs and then expecting this defense to take steps forward.
Albeit of course, Veach isn't done. And again, i'll refrain any projections till camp breaks.
The thing is, signing a guy like Breeland allows them flexibility in the draft. Instead of feeling like they have to get a day 1 starter with a high floor but lower ceiling (Baker), they might be able to take a flyer on a guy with more upside, knowing that he doesn't have to be an instant starter.
These are the kinds of guys that are needed to bridge the gap with the draft, which is ultimately where the core of the defense SHOULD come from, not free agency. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kysirsoze:
INTs
Passer rating against (By a lot)
Touchdowns allowed
PBUs (barely)
Missed tackles
That's five.
He's got him on INT's. I'll give you that.
TD's allowed? Your tripping balls if you think he's going a season with out giving up TD's. That's a stat that gets WORSE with starts, not better.
And the INT's/TD's is what's giving him the high "Passer rating against" markings, but the other stats demonstrate that he's getting beat more frequently, for more yards than Nelson was. And his poor tackling shows up in the extra YAC he gives up.
You got the missed tackles stat wrong.
Breeland is missing more tackles at a damn near 2:1 clip. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
The thing is, signing a guy like Breeland allows them flexibility in the draft. Instead of feeling like they have to get a day 1 starter with a high floor but lower ceiling (Baker), they might be able to take a flyer on a guy with more upside, knowing that he doesn't have to be an instant starter.
These are the kinds of guys that are needed to bridge the gap with the draft, which is ultimately where the core of the defense SHOULD come from, not free agency.
I didn't argue otherwise. I understand why this guy was signed.
BUT, if he ends up your starter because they didn't address CB in the draft (i mean, weren't we all expecting a corner last year in a loaded CB class?) then they will struggle. [Reply]
I agree with Iconic 100%. Having said that, if I was took look at just the numbers and nothing else, I see more than just one better stat than Nelson. [Reply]
I'm anxious to see Fuller and Breeland back together again. Now if the stars align and by some miracle the Chiefs picked up PP and draft a Safety number 1 I'd be stoked. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
He's got him on INT's. I'll give you that.
TD's allowed? Your tripping balls if you think he's going a season with out giving up TD's. That's a stat that gets WORSE with starts, not better.
And the INT's/TD's is what's giving him the high "Passer rating against" markings, but the other stats demonstrate that he's getting beat more frequently, for more yards than Nelson was. And his poor tackling shows up in the extra YAC he gives up.
You got the missed tackles stat wrong.
Breeland is missing more tackles at a damn near 2:1 clip.
You're right on missed tackles.
I never said he wouldn't give up any TDs. I just said he had Nelson on that stat. If you expanded his play to a full season would he give up some TDs. I'm sure he would, but he'd have some catching up to do to give up more than Nelson.
Of course all of this likely means little since, as has been stated, Breeland was a late season addition to a new team and a different system.
Plus, a lateral move for less money is a win anyway. I don't see what there is to not like about this signing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Warrick:
I agree with Iconic 100%. Having said that, if I was took look at just the numbers and nothing else, I see more than just one better stat than Nelson.
Are you looking at ratios?
You have a 0 TD's given up. Great. (But totally unrealistic to maintain)
You have 2 INTS which over the course of a season, at that rate is what, slightly more than 4 over 16 games? So basically what Nelson had.
Those two stats are what's giving him the "Passer rating against" stat.
CP has NEVER been rose-colored glasses season. This is the time of year when everybody comes out of the woodwork to declare the upcoming season "over" and complain about the team being "doomed". [Reply]
CP has NEVER been rose-colored glasses season. This is the time of year when everybody comes out of the woodwork to declare the upcoming season "over" and complain about the team being "doomed".
Yeah right, this is the time of the season where everything is awesome. Optimism reaches full peak around camp time, then dies down after the 1st preseason game. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
Yeah right, this is the time of the season where everything is awesome. Optimism reaches full peak around camp time, then dies down after the 1st preseason game.
Absolute BS. Every year at this time, a handful of people declare the offseason a failure because in 6 days, they haven't signed 11 superstars to completely remake whatever unit is failing at the time. [Reply]