With lowered expectations, yes. Don't expect a re-watch down the line. Couple of fight scenes are epic, others are meh. The bad nemesis is for shit.
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It would have been better than WV, but honestly in retrospect the endless preaching ruined it. Neither show is worth a rewatch or something memorable. Just meh.
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Just finished this .....pretty disappointed. Who wrote this shit?
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The Critical Drinker always puts it so eloquently.


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It was largely a crap, forgettable series.

And the color scheme of Sam’s new suit blows.
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That's a great comparison with Watchmen and TFatWS, actually. Both could have been amazing stories, but both got drug down into the SJW mud by the people setting the story up.

The ironic thing is that in the Phase 4 hype video, it starts off with Stan Lee saying how these stories are escapism, and how everyone is each other's brother and sister. Two very distinctly different messages being put out by Marvel to be sure.
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This isn't a political statement by me, just an observation:

Marvel has apparently decided that it's best for certain ethnicities to run and write for specific characters. Notice how Black Panther had an all Black cast and crew (save for Ludwig Goransson, the composer). Anthony Mackie stated he thought that was more "racist" than just hiring the best people. Same thing happened with The Falcon & The Winter Soldier series in which the showrunner, producer and writer was Black, as was the entire writer's room.

Shang-Ti has an Asian cast and an Asian director. The Eternals has an Asian director and several Asian characters, along with an Asian lead in Gemma Chan (who is absolutely Hot AF!).

It's clear that Chloé Zhao is a very talented director because she dominated awards season and supposedly, Marvel is absolutely blown away by what she did with The Eternals. But Marcus Spellman (TFATWS & Cap 4) and Daniel Creston (Shang Ti) had zero experience directing $200 million dollar plus properties and from the outside, it looks as if they catered to the SJW mob who has been demanding that Asians can only direct Asians, Blacks can only direct Blacks while females can only direct females. We're seeing it with the upcoming TV series as well.

My post isn't meant to demean any of those people because if anyone knows how difficult it is to even get a movie made in this town, it's me. I just see it as somewhat of a concerning trend, especially since the Oscars, because they've now been calling for more female composers to score films. I tend to think that if there was the female equivalent of John Williams, Hans Zimmer, Alan Silvestri, Brian Tyler, Christophe Beck, et al, they'd have so much work that they'd need to pass it on to other composers.

Anyway, I just don't understand how Marvel can live up to the expectations set in Phase 1, 2 & 3 if they're not hiring the best people in the business to write, direct and produce their films and instead, are cowering to the "mob".
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Agreed. I don’t know much about the industry so I can’t really comment. But the bolded is succinctly the way I feel.

This is business. We’re in it to win it. At least I am in mine.

As far as cowering yo the mob, this sounds more like dumbass HR policy than worrying about Twitter. But I could be all the way wrong on that one.
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I don't think it's HR but I can't say for sure. Here's a segment of an upcoming Rolling Stone interview with Kevin Feige about Dr. Strange & WandaVision:

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In an upcoming interview with Kevin Feige at Rolling Stone, Benedict Cumberbatch’s Doctor Strange was indeed set to appear. But then, something changed.

Feige says that the fictional commercials for products like “Toast Mate” and “Hydra Soak” during WandaVision were actually intended to build up to a Doctor Strange appearance. The ads were originally intended to be messages sent to Wanda from Doctor Strange, as he also attempted to break through her fake reality. Marvel had actually finalized a deal with Cumberbatch to appear in the finale until a late-stage rewrite saw him written out. Feige says:

“Some people might say, ‘Oh, it would’ve been so cool to see Doctor Strange. But it would have taken away from Wanda. We didn’t want the end of the show to be commoditized to go to the next movie – here’s the white guy, ‘Let me show you how power works.'”

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I kept wondering where the Dr. Strange 2 tie-in would occur but apparently, it was re-written at the last minute.

Considering they'd been hyping WandaVision as important to Phase 4 and specifically, Dr. Strange 2, it seems really odd that they'd ax it at the last minute, unless there was pressure coming from somewhere.
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Fucking retard.
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I was fine with the show not including him and still am, but if that was the actual reason...yikes. That sounds like someone scared about what the Twitter reaction would have been. Not a way anyone should be writing a series.
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It's not exactly new for Marvel to hire inexperienced directors. Really they mostly hire inexperienced directors, the reverse is more of an aberration. Destin Daniel Cretton really isn't any less experienced than Joss Whedon was, or James Gunn was, or the Russo Brothers were.

Also Spellman has only been hired to write and develop Cap 4. I wouldn't be surprised if it passes into other hands before it gets made, if previous Marvel films are anything to go by.

While I'm at it I want to point out, Spellman isn't the showrunner of F&tWS in the traditional sense. Matt Shakman, who directed Wandavision, described showrunner duties on Marvel shows as being split between the head writer, director, and Feige, with Feige maintaining final say. The director of F&tWS (Kari Skogland) is a white woman, so two of the three people most directly responsible for F&tWS are white.
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I think it's a glimpse into a larger issue going on in this country and the world at the moment. I do feel like they are trying to avoid angering and catering to the wokes, because cancel culture seemingly scares the shit out of mega corporations (or they use it to bolster and profit, maybe both). But you're 100% right - they will lose viewers over this if this is how it goes.

Watchmen is in its DNA socially powered, I'll agree with that, but it went mega woke with its story and there's no getting around it. I still enjoyed watching it, but it definitely beat you over the head with SJW messages (the "Klan", the most powerful creature in creation choosing to change his race, evil white led corporations, etc etc...). Like I said to Dane - this is where we're at right now, unfortunately.
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You must be joking. Whedon co-wrote Toy Story, created several successful TV series over the years and was successful on many different levels as a writer, producer and director before directing the original Avengers movie.

James Gunn was a successful screenwriter and built a cult-following with his quirky movies such as Slither. He'd worked on successful properties in the past and was clearly the best choice for Guardians (and Suicide Squad). He has his own aesthetic and was a master of visuals long before Marvel.

The Russo Brothers carved out a successful career spanning decades of working in TV. They won a Prime Time Emmy for Arrested Development, wrote and directed feature films and created successful comedy series.

Now, compare that to Daniel Cretton's resume of three very, very small movies and one movie starring Michael B. Jordan. It's paltry and utterly ridiculous to compare him to people that had decades of success before being handed a Marvel project.

Then, compare the Russo's and Whedon to Malcom Spellman, who had like 8 episodes of Empire credited to his name, a few episodes of a bad Apple TV series and co-writer of a film 10 years ago.

Neither Cretton nor Spellman have even 1/50th the resume of Whedon, the Russo's or James Gunn, yet it's very, very clear why they were hired. To even remotely suggest that their career trajectories and credits are similar are similar in any way, shape or form is ludicrous and outright dumb.
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He was one of a bunch of writers on Toy Story, and created two successful TV shows and a third that didn't make it out of the first season. He had directed a lot of TV and one feature. No experience close to "directing $200 million dollar plus properties".

He had only directed two movies, neither of which had a budget over $15 million.

12 years is "decades" to you? They had directed a lot of TV comedy, but you know as well as I do that's very a very different job from directing a feature. They didn't create the shows and weren't showrunners. The biggest thing they had done when Marvel hired them was direct You, Me, and Dupree, which had a budget of $54 million. And probably half of that was just to pay Matthew McConaughey and Kate Hudson.

He wrote and directed Short Term 12, which won a pile of critics awards (and was on basically every list of Oscar snubs that year). And the aforementioned Michael B. Jordan movie, which you're glossing over pretty hard.

Why? They didn't hire him to do the same job. Compare him to Nicole Perlman, who wrote the first draft of Guardians of the Galaxy as literally her first professional credit.

I think the facts show that premise is false, but even setting them aside, what about John Watts? He hadn't done shit when Marvel hired him to make Homecoming.
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