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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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petegz28 11:11 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
I think we've gotten to the point that we can say NY is just an outlier. Something has happened there thats just different. So far atleast.
I said that more or less the entire time. For whatever reason(s) them and NJ are literally 3 times as worse as everyone else.
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Monticore 11:13 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
I think we've gotten to the point that we can say NY is just an outlier. Something has happened there thats just different. So far atleast.
NYC was similar to Spain, France, Italy etc why is Toronto get it worse than Vancouver. At one point 12% of hospitalizations in Canada were patients under 40 , the numbers just seem all over right now.
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O.city 11:15 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
NYC was similar to Spain, France, Italy etc why is Toronto get it worse than Vancouver. At one point 12% of hospitalizations in Canada were patients under 40 , the numbers just seem all over right now.
It was always weird to me with China (based on what we know which is who knows) that Wuhan got spiked, yet Beijing didn't. Maybe they locked them all down that hard?
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KC Dan 11:30 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
I think we've gotten to the point that we can say NY is just an outlier. Something has happened there thats just different. So far atleast.
Subways running
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lewdog 11:38 AM 05-03-2020
Little update on us. Of close to 200 residents and employees tested we had dozens of positive tests. I don’t know exact number. Of those positives around 50% are totally asymptotic. Does that seem likely?

Also this was jabbed and twisted for like 8 seconds. Eyes watering and I thought I was bleeding afterwards.
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DaFace 11:46 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Little update on us. Of close to 200 residents and employees tested we had dozens of positive tests. I don’t know exact number. Of those positives around 50% are totally asymptotic. Does that seem likely?

Also this was jabbed and twisted for like 8 seconds. Eyes watering and I thought I was bleeding afterwards.
Asymptomatic cases are extremely common, yes.
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Donger 11:49 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Asymptomatic cases are extremely common, yes.
I wonder how many of these asymptomatic positives end up becoming symptomatic.

They say that incubation is 2 to 14 days (last I checked) with median of ~5. So, would a person show positive for COVD-19 on, say, day 3?
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DaFace 11:51 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
I wonder how many of these asymptomatic positives end up becoming symptomatic.



They say that incubation is 2 to 14 days (last I checked) with median of ~5. So, would a person show positive for COVD-19 on, say, day 3?
Tough to say, but the limited antibody testing suggests that there are tons who never show symptoms at all.
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dirk digler 11:57 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Frankly, I wish more people would just get over it and argue in those terms. It's the "lives are priceless" BS that I don't really think is productive.

While it's harsh, those are the kinds of decisions we're really talking about here, and I wish we could just be more clear about it.

For the record, I personally don't think I'm willing to throw up my hands and accept that level of death, but I don't think you're a bad person for suggesting that it wouldn't be the end of the world.

I am not either. Is it worth it to anybody to kill your parents or grandparents because you want to go back to "normal." Jobs will come back, being dead is forever.
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Monticore 11:59 AM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Tough to say, but the limited antibody testing suggests that there are tons who never show symptoms at all.
The antibodies tests I think have false positives to account for depending on sensitivity and specifity .
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ChiliConCarnage 12:01 PM 05-03-2020
I wonder what’s wrong with the IHME models death figures? It’s still projecting 72k deaths by August 4th. We're clearly going to pass that in the next couple of days, let alone out to August.

It does have a shared range for uncertainty that goes up to 110k but still
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dirk digler 12:10 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage:
I wonder what’s wrong with the IHME models death figures? It’s still projecting 72k deaths by August 4th. We're clearly going to pass that in the next couple of days, let alone out to August.

It does have a shared range for uncertainty that goes up to 110k but still

For states like MO that are re-opening they stop projecting because their model is about using social distancing.
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petegz28 12:10 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
I am not either. Is it worth it to anybody to kill your parents or grandparents because you want to go back to "normal." Jobs will come back, being dead is forever.
Again just playing Devil’s advocate ....how many people that are “not worth” losing are worth shutting everything down? No one wants to lose anyone for any reason. It’s really an argument of the few vs. the many. I hate to say it but that is just how life is unfortunately and it sucks but it is what it is.
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Monticore 12:12 PM 05-03-2020
Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage:
I wonder what’s wrong with the IHME models death figures? It’s still projecting 72k deaths by August 4th. We're clearly going to pass that in the next couple of days, let alone out to August.

It does have a shared range for uncertainty that goes up to 110k but still
I would be more curious to see what is actually happening in hospitals in NYC rather than models , what frontline workers think . If the head of the ICU in NY says we good I think that would hold more weight

Decisions should be made regionally without political influence. Hard lol I know
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Discuss Thrower 12:19 PM 05-03-2020
International Labour Organization reports 1.6 billion workers will lose their sources of income.
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