Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Georgia seems pretty simple to me. If you don't want to open your business then don't. If you don't want to go out then don't.
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If the people who got infected only infected themselves and didn't put others at risk, I'd agree. Alas, it's never that simple with public health. [Reply]
Florida is intentionally suppressing death reports from the coroner's offices, local jurisdictions in California are fighting Newsom's order to close the beaches, and Georgia seems to be torn between individual business owners not wanting to reopen and Kemp's desire for the opposite despite an increasing case load, high prevalence of percent-positive tests, and extremely low testing rate.
It's just a classically half-assed approach.
Yeah well you know why that is but we cant discuss it in the non political thread.
So say a relapse does happen we have no clue if itll be worse or if our medical system could be compromised? As you've pointed out the approach has been half assed in many places so trying to predict what a relapse would look like is impossible without enough testing no? [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Georgia seems pretty simple to me. If you don't want to open your business then don't. If you don't want to go out then don't.
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What if you want to open but your employee doesnt feel safe? What if an employee gets a case of COVID and misses a few weeks? I dont think it's really that simple. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Yeah well you know why that is but we cant discuss it in the non political thread.
So say a relapse does happen we have no clue if itll be worse or if our medical system could be compromised? As you've pointed out the approach has been half assed in many places so trying to predict what a relapse would look like is impossible without enough testing no?
I guess we can treat it like a randomized drug trial to see what works. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
I've been kind of feeling pessimistic the past few days. I don't see a viable containment strategy anymore. It feels like we're gonna be dealing with this for the long haul.
That horse left the barn in March. For real.
You need to just mentally prepare yourself for it. You should have mentally prepared for it two months ago. We're going to reach 70,000 deaths easy in two months, and that's while half the country is shut down. There's really no evidence this thing is slowing down. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Yeah well you know why that is but we cant discuss it in the non political thread.
So say a relapse does happen we have no clue if itll be worse or if our medical system could be compromised? As you've pointed out the approach has been half assed in many places so trying to predict what a relapse would look like is impossible without enough testing no?
Without adequate testing it is impossible to predict in sufficient time. You'd know by the time hospital admissions started to increase, but then you're looking at needing another extended lockdown to stamp it out. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Georgia seems pretty simple to me. If you don't want to open your business then don't. If you don't want to go out then don't.
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It’s the asymptomatic people, who haven’t been accounted for because mass testing is lacking, that will be the problem. Your dumbass should throw a massive party at your house and see what happens to yourself and family. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Yeah well you know why that is but we cant discuss it in the non political thread.
So say a relapse does happen we have no clue if itll be worse or if our medical system could be compromised? As you've pointed out the approach has been half assed in many places so trying to predict what a relapse would look like is impossible without enough testing no?
A bunch of testing only seems to show you a bunch of asymptomatic cases. (When you're testing a group of people trying to determine who has the virus and who doesn't)
It boggles my brain that we've had members on this board that have gotten incredibly sick and tested negative, while half of fucking St Joe is positive, but asymptomatic. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28: :-) he really just accused you of being an alt.....holy fuck that's some funny shit! :-)
It’s also funny that he thinks he is making a point. He could easily just say he has been misrepresenting your stance but either incapable of doing so or a fragile ego is preventing it. [Reply]
If there was a massive nuclear attack with heavy fallout and those dumbasses wanted to go out and protest a prolonged lock down, I'd be all for it, because they'd only be killing themselves. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tk13:
That horse left the barn in March. For real.
You need to just mentally prepare yourself for it. You should have mentally prepared for it two months ago. We're going to reach 70,000 deaths easy in two months, and that's while half the country is shut down. There's really no evidence this thing is slowing down.
I have mentally prepared to a degree. But I still haven't accepted it yet. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lewdog:
It’s the asymptomatic people, who haven’t been accounted for because mass testing is lacking, that will be the problem. Your dumbass should throw a massive party at your house and see what happens to yourself and family.
Mass testing is indeed lacking, but mass testing only gets you so far.
I could test negative today and turn around tomorrow and catch the virus somewhere. Are we just gonna test people on a daily basis?
Your point on the asymptomatic cases is well taken, but that can only take you so far. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
If the people who got infected only infected themselves and didn't put others at risk, I'd agree. Alas, it's never that simple with public health.
You cant wait to go outside until you know if everyone isn't infected. We would be locked down for a year
Originally Posted by Monticore:
I guess we can treat it like a randomized drug trial to see what works.
I guess I'm trying to understand this a bit better. Would this mean rushed testing of these drugs and could lead the door open for these drugs to be put into the market and have potential terrible side effects that could be even worse than the virus itself? [Reply]
