Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
You have absolutely no way of knowing that. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a fact.
It's a fact that it was overwhelming our health care facilities and was a huge problem here in January? No, that is not a fact. Not at all. The people that claim they had it then have no evidence at all, that they had it. Just that is because they want to feel that they did.
Of the people that are claiming they had it in January and February - I bet 1 out of 25,000 of them actually had it. [Reply]
Been swimming every day with this little guy. He’s loving the water and actually listening about how to move his arms and legs. It’s been fun!
That's the best. Glad you got some quality family time outta this whole mess, you all deserve it. My son absolutely loves all things water and we're all ready for his grandpa to open his pool up so he can get out there and go wild. Well, I wanna go wild too. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
It's a fact that it was overwhelming our health care facilities and was a huge problem here in January? No, that is not a fact. Not at all. The people that claim they had it then have no evidence at all, that they had it. Just that is because they want to feel that they did.
Again you have no way of knowing any of that at all. None. In fact there are already documented cases refuting your argument.
And our hospitals are so overrun they are laying people off. Remember last month the CA Gov was asking people to come out of retirement to help and now his state has hospitals laying people off left and right. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
Just taking a wild stab at things but maybe you had covid, got over it, then developed a secondary infection?
Not running a fever is a puzzler though.
That’s my assumption too, hoping for a negative Covid test and positive antibodies. Pleasantly surprised they took my blood to send off for the antibody testing. Didn’t expect that at all. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28: Again you have no way of knowing any of that at all. None. In fact there are already documented cases refuting your argument.
And our hospitals are so overrun they are laying people off. Remember last month the CA Gov was asking people to come out of retirement to help and now his state has hospitals laying people off left and right.
You aren't reading what I'm saying.
I'm saying it was here in January and February. But it was only in a few clusters and had not achieved a mature community spread.
99% of everyone saying they had it, you know the type, the Pete's types on Facebook - didn't have it. Thats what I'm saying.
In any significant rise in the flu in a flu season, doctors will start ordering more influenza tests to see if anything else is going on. There was no report of any wide spread known corona virus cases during those times. There were cases - yes - but it was not wide spread - yet. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis:
That’s my assumption too, hoping for a negative Covid test and positive antibodies. Pleasantly surprised they took my blood to send off for the antibody testing. Didn’t expect that at all.
I’d be really curious to see the test come back negative. I am with Lou in wondering what the rate of false positives and such might be as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
You aren't reading what I'm saying.
I'm saying it was here in January and February. But it was only in a few clusters and had not achieved a mature community spread.
99% of everyone saying they had it, you know the type, the Pete's types on Facebook - didn't have it. Thats what I'm saying.
In any significant rise in the flu in a flu season, doctors will start ordering more influenza tests to see if anything else is going on. There was no report of any wide spread known corona virus cases during those times. There were cases - yes - but it was not wide spread - yet.
I understand what you are saying but we have no way of knowing that at all. You can straw man the Facebook thing all you want that doesn’t change the fact we had some other factual medical phenomena going on this year.
For instance, every year during flu season at least once our system puts out the order that if you have not had the flu shot and work in a hospital or clinic you have to wear a mask.
This year was the first time they have ever said it didn’t matter where you work if you didn’t get the flu shot you had to wear a mask because shit was so bad. A month of so later and we are all talking about Covid-19. That’s one hell of a fucking coinkydink. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis:
Glad you’re so far so good. How were you exposed by your coworker? Just same office building? Crazy so many of you are testing positive.
Hopefully he exposed himself a very tasteful way.....:-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Maybe all those flu deaths were actually covid , I don’t think you want that making the rounds.
You know I would bet some were. My Son’s pediatrician told us she has treated more kids for pneumonia this year than she ever has. Again, what a coinkydink. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I understand what you are saying but we have no way of knowing that at all. You can straw man the Facebook thing all you want that doesn’t change the fact we had some other factual medical phenomena going on this year.
For instance, every year during flu season at least once our system puts out the order that if you have not had the flu shot and work in a hospital or clinic you have to wear a mask.
This year was the first time they have ever said it didn’t matter where you work if you didn’t get the flu shot you had to wear a mask because shit was so bad. A month of so later and we are all talking about Covid-19. That’s one hell of a ****ing coinkydink.
I tell you what, if it had achieved mature community spread in January nor December and out health care system and huge country didn't find out then we have the worlds worst health care system. And I don't thin you or anyone believes that's the case [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Maybe all those flu deaths were actually covid , I don’t think you want that making the rounds.
Originally Posted by BWillie:
I tell you what, if it had achieved mature community spread in January nor December and out health care system and huge country didn't find out then we have the worlds worst health care system. And I don't thin you or anyone believes that's the case
Were we looking for it? Anecdotal but I know of a doctor who tested a person for for all kinds of influenza and they came back negative but he swore they had the flu and then made the comment “I am seeing a lot of this. It’s almost like there is something else going around”. Yes, that gets said a lot but again the timing is quite coincidental [Reply]
