Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
If it's not an all-or-nothing proposition, why are you bitching about restaurants having limited capacity?
Again, you are either reading what you want or not reading. Where did I say I had a problem with them having limited capacity? Where? I didn't! In fact I said I was cool with it. What I said was they should not be expected to operate at limited capacity while at the same time having to pay 100% of their costs. There should be some aid until they get back to 100%.
And if you actually read what I said, I said after they get to 100% if people stay in and they can't stay in business then that is that. But you cannot intentionally handicap a business and then expect them to survive without some sort of aid. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
If it's not an all-or-nothing proposition, why are you bitching about restaurants having limited capacity, which is the definition of a middle ground?
I’m not here to defend him but you clearly aren’t reading his recent posts on this particular point. Is that intentional? [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Again, you are either reading what you want or not reading. Where did I say I had a problem with them having limited capacity? Where? I didn't! In fact I said I was cool with it. What I said was they should not be expected to operate at limited capacity while at the same time having to pay 100% of their costs. There should be some aid until they get back to 100%.
And if you actually read what I said, I said after they get to 100% if people stay in and they can't stay in business then that is that. But you cannot intentionally handicap a business and then expect them to survive without some sort of aid.
And the complete absence of aid has been definitively stated where? [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
And the complete absence of aid has been definitively stated where?
Where has it been stated it would be there? Has Jackson or Johnson counties or others come out and said there would be aid? Point me to it, please. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
And if you actually read what I said, I said after they get to 100% if people stay in and they can't stay in business then that is that. But you cannot intentionally handicap a business and then expect them to survive without some sort of aid.
It's been pretty common to handicap some businesses over others.
There wasn't aid in the past and there won't be aid now.
Best thing we can do for biz owners is write to our congresspeople and ask them to allow for penalty-free bankruptcies. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
It's been pretty common to handicap some businesses over others.
There wasn't aid in the past and there won't be aid now.
Best thing we can do for biz owners is write to our congresspeople and ask them to allow for penalty-free bankruptcies.
I'm not thrilled with that idea but yes, there has to be something. Or how about providing aid to small businesses? I have no interest in bailing out McDonald's or Chili's. I am interested in helping out the mom and pop restaurants and bars that people have worked their asses off for only to have the local government tell them to fuck off and die. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I'm not thrilled with that idea but yes, there has to be something. Or how about providing aid to small businesses? I have no interest in bailing out McDonald's or Chili's. I am interested in helping out the mom and pop restaurants and bars that people have worked their asses off for only to have the local government tell them to fuck off and die.
Any more aid to any businesses is a sunk cost fallacy without massive regulatory changes at this point.
As a taxpayer, I have no interest in propping up any business that cannot guarantee of paying back any fund transfers in a definitive period of time. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Where has it been stated it would be there? Has Jackson or Johnson counties or others come out and said there would be aid? Point me to it, please.
It's not going to be doled out by the counties.
There have already been two rounds of economic stimulus for businesses. The PPP allows 25% of funds to be used on mortgages, rent and utilities, and is fully forgivable as long as payroll is kept consistent and over 75%, and the SBA is paying 6 months of principal, and interest for microloans and other types.
I know that places have had a difficult time getting some of the initial loan money, but that doesn't mean it's all gone forever, either. [Reply]
I know that places have had a difficult time getting some of the initial loan money, but that doesn't mean it's all gone forever, either.
Eh, yeah actually it is gone forever after the money runs from the last round of funds approved last week. Mnuchin said there won't be any more rounds of PPP/EIDL. [Reply]
