Originally Posted by JakeF:
It appears that Mahomes has been good for Smith. Mahomes has brought youth,energy and an aggressive attitude to the team. It seems to be loosening Alex Smith up and bringing some fun back to the game for him.
Exactly! And no I am a Chiefs fan not a Alex only Fan. However Alex is the third winningest QB in the NFL the past 4 years. He's better than everyone but Wilson and Brady in the regular season. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
That's a very good point. I guess I'd say it is because his playoff stats are rather impressive. I think he currently has 12 TDs 2 INTs decent amount of yds, compl % also decent. His playoffs passer rating is also very good.
But winning in the playoffs is definitely an area Smith and Reid have struggled since they have been here but I think a variety of factors have played into that. Overall except maybe Steelers gm and Houstn gm (which we won anyway) he has played well.
We have to stay healthy and get that run D fixed. IMO if we do that we can beat anyone including the Patriots.
Thanks for the response. My issue I have with your response is the fact that Alex fans pointing at his stats are doing exactly what some of us do when our team carries Alex to a regular season win, but the opposite.
Alex has 185 yards, 0 TDs and we hear from the Alex crowd that we won the game, so stats are irrelevant.
Then, when we lose a playoff game and Alex plays really, really well (Colts game), we have to hear how well Alex played and are directed to look at his statistics. Its very contradictory.
This is why I personally, NEVER use winning percentage to judge how good or bad a QB is. To me, it is one of the more brainless ways one could analyze QB play. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dls6501:
Since you appear to be one of the more level headed Smith enthusiasts, can you answer me something? Smith fans constantly bring up regular season record in attempt to prove he is better than others think.
So why is it that when said others bring up his playoff record, Smith fans stick their fingers in their ears and yell la la la la? I mean, Smith fans claim that winning trumps everything. So why is it that when playoffs are brought up, winning is ignored?
Asking for 95% of Chiefs fans.
Reid should be tarred and feathered for how he managed the second half of the Indy meltdown. You cant do much when Berry forces a fumble and the ball magically bounces back to Luck... and he dives for a TD. KC was a MASH unit... lost Charles, then Davis broke his leg...Houston went down and so did Flowers. Smith had one of the best postseason games in NFL history..that loss wasnt on him.
Patriots game...major key injuries, Davis' critical fumble, Berry getting schooled by Gronk. Hali dropped an INT that hit him in the hands...and god awful clock management. Controllable mistakes made the difference...Patriots didn't make mistakes.
Steelers...7 drops by WRs, Smith missing Hill on a sure TD, Kelce drop, Refs calling the first holding penalty of the 2nd half to remove points...having your starting run defense on IR against Bell.
The repeating theme is Chiefs have had some of their best players out during the post-season...and they make critical mistakes at the worst time. [Reply]
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Originally Posted by dls6501:
Thanks for the response. My issue I have with your response is the fact that Alex fans pointing at his stats are doing exactly what some of us do when our team carries Alex to a regular season win, but the opposite.
Alex has 185 yards, 0 TDs and we hear from the Alex crowd that we won the game, so stats are irrelevant.
Then, when we lose a playoff game and Alex plays really, really well (Colts game), we have to hear how well Alex played and are directed to look at his statistics. Its very contradictory.
This is why I personally, NEVER use winning percentage to judge how good or bad a QB is. To me, it is one of the more brainless ways one could analyze QB play.
That's a fair response. There's a variety of factors but generally if you are a bad QB there is no way you are going to put consecutive winning seasons together like Alex Smith has the past, what is 6 seasons now? Maybe one fluke season but eventually teams will catch on to your style and shut you down. That has not happened with Alex.
The reason I use W-L with Alex is because I can tell just by his interviews that he uses a style that he knows works for him and tends to do enough to win and that is it. He doesn't care about stats.
He plays it safe and doesn't make the big mistake. If he needs to be more aggressive he will, particularly in clutch time. But in general he plays not to make the big mistake which when you combine with a good defense makes Alex Smith led teams pretty hard to beat.
I always point to Alex quote on Cam
"This is the honest truth: I could absolutely care less on yards per game," Smith said. "I think that's a totally overblown stat. Because if you're losing games in the second half, guess what? You're like the Carolina Panthers and you're going no-huddle the entire second half and, yeah, Cam Newton threw for a lot of 300-yard games, that's great. You're not winning, though."
Obviously Alex went a little overboard but you can tell that he isn't a gunslinger because his style is what he feels is most effective for him and it clearly works based on his W-L record with us. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
That's a fair response. There's a variety of factors but generally if you are a bad QB there is no way you are going to put consecutive winning seasons together like Alex Smith has the past, what is 6 seasons now? Maybe one fluke season but eventually teams will catch on to your style and shut you down. That has not happened with Alex.
The reason I use W-L with Alex is because I can tell just by his interviews that he uses a style that he knows works for him and tends to do enough to win and that is it. He doesn't care about stats.
He plays it safe and doesn't make the big mistake. If he needs to be more aggressive he will, particularly in clutch time. But in general he plays not to make the big mistake which when you combine with a good defense makes Alex Smith led teams pretty hard to beat.
I always point to Alex quote on Cam
"This is the honest truth: I could absolutely care less on yards per game," Smith said. "I think that's a totally overblown stat. Because if you're losing games in the second half, guess what? You're like the Carolina Panthers and you're going no-huddle the entire second half and, yeah, Cam Newton threw for a lot of 300-yard games, that's great. You're not winning, though."
Obviously Alex went a little overboard but you can tell that he isn't a gunslinger because his style is what he feels is most effective for him and it clearly works based on his W-L record with us.
You know what else is bad luck? The Big Ben INT in the playoff gm, if that pass does not get tipped it's probably a pick 6.
Berry read the play perfectly and was ready to make a jump on it and take it to the house. And we all know Berry is probably the best in the NFL at pick 6s...
Oh that's Chiefs luck! Skip to 2:42 you can see it
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
That's a fair response. There's a variety of factors but generally if you are a bad QB there is no way you are going to put consecutive winning seasons together like Alex Smith has the past, what is 6 seasons now? Maybe one fluke season but eventually teams will catch on to your style and shut you down. That has not happened with Alex.
The reason I use W-L with Alex is because I can tell just by his interviews that he uses a style that he knows works for him and tends to do enough to win and that is it. He doesn't care about stats.
He plays it safe and doesn't make the big mistake. If he needs to be more aggressive he will, particularly in clutch time. But in general he plays not to make the big mistake which when you combine with a good defense makes Alex Smith led teams pretty hard to beat.
I always point to Alex quote on Cam
"This is the honest truth: I could absolutely care less on yards per game," Smith said. "I think that's a totally overblown stat. Because if you're losing games in the second half, guess what? You're like the Carolina Panthers and you're going no-huddle the entire second half and, yeah, Cam Newton threw for a lot of 300-yard games, that's great. You're not winning, though."
Obviously Alex went a little overboard but you can tell that he isn't a gunslinger because his style is what he feels is most effective for him and it clearly works based on his W-L record with us.
Super Bowl appearances for Cam: 1 in 6 seasons.
Super Bowl appearances for Alex: ZERO in 11 seasons!!!! 0!!! Zilch!!! Freaking ZERO!!!
"Hey, is that a piece of shit coated with white chocolate?!! No, it's a metaphor for Alex Smith!!! A "Shitty" looking Zero candy bar!!!" [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
You know what else is bad luck? The Big Ben INT in the playoff gm, if that pass does not get tipped it's probably a pick 6.
Berry read the play perfectly and was ready to make a jump on it and take it to the house. And we all know Berry is probably the best in the NFL at pick 6s...
Oh that's Chiefs luck! Skip to 2:42 you can see it
KC has lost by a total of 10 points in 3 play-offs games...fumbles, injuries, dropped passes, questionable penalties and crap-tastic clock management.
They arent getting blown-out...they are beating themselves. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BlackOp:
KC has lost by a total of 10 points in 3 play-offs games...fumbles, injuries, dropped passes, questionable penalties and crap-tastic clock management.
They arent getting blown-out...they are beating themselves.
Yep and it is the little things that separate the good teams from the great ones and we are simply not there yet. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BlackOp:
KC has lost by a total of 10 points in 3 play-offs games...fumbles, injuries, dropped passes, questionable penalties and crap-tastic clock management.
They arent getting blown-out...they are beating themselves.
And everyone wants to put it all on Alex! When last playoff game West had a crucial fumble, Kelce dropped a wide open deep pass, and Schwartz allowed the DE to come untouched and destroy Smith as he threw the ball which caused a Int [Reply]
Originally Posted by BlackOp:
KC has lost by a total of 10 points in 3 play-offs games...fumbles, injuries, dropped passes, questionable penalties and crap-tastic clock management.
They arent getting blown-out...they are beating themselves.
Originally Posted by penbrook:
And everyone wants to put it all on Alex! When last playoff game West had a crucial fumble, Kelce dropped a wide open deep pass, and Schwartz allowed the DE to come untouched and destroy Smith as he threw the ball which caused a Int
And fisher gets beat by the 50-yr-old steroid man Harrison on a crucial 2-pt play.
Alex made mistakes too but the game wasn't all on him. [Reply]
