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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Monticore 12:03 PM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
I think we know that's not nearly the case based off the data we have or else hospitalizations would be much higher and we wouldn't have 20X the number of known infections walking around asymptomatic.

I think people are taking some pretty extreme liberties with what underlying conditions increase mortality with covid, it seems they are probably fairly specific and coupled with age. There is likely a combination of conditions that make a really bad scenario.
Asthma, obesity, copd, renal disease, cancer , hypertension , liver disease, lung disease, diabetes, immunodeficiency. You don’t think that is a large portion of the population?

It does not have to kill you to cause harm.
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PAChiefsGuy 12:04 PM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
When's the last time 26,000 Americans died in a month outside of NYC/NJ?Probably 2017-2018 flu season.

When's the last time more people under the age of 65 and healthy died of a contagion in a month during flu season? Most likely 2009, 2015-16, and 2017-2018

Here's a good resource...

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season...-2017-2018.htm
Horrible comparison...

Was social distancing being put into place when these deaths happened during the flu season?
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Monticore 12:06 PM 04-28-2020
If people took influenza more seriously. There would be less deaths, we have a vaccine and over 50% don’t get it .
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TLO 12:09 PM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
If people took influenza more seriously. There would be less deaths
But it's just the flu bro.
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IowaHawkeyeChief 12:10 PM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by banyon:
Yes you linked the 2017-18 flu and h1n1, but they did not have deaths broken down by AGE. That's probably because the figures were only estimates for those illnesses.

You are making a claim about comparing the risk of mortality for a certain age bracket. THAT is what is not backed up.
It's not that hard...

Current #s

1,022,000 confirmed cases
57,000 deaths
90% with underlying conditions per my CDC link
5700 healthy deaths
Now lets assume they are all under 65...
5700/1,022,000=.0055 or .5%
This would be the actual current CFR. We know from several antibody test, including NYC, that the denominator is at least 9 times higher than confirmed cases at 2.7 million...

5700/9,000,000=.0006 or .006%

https://www.livescience.com/covid-an...york-test.html
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TLO 12:12 PM 04-28-2020
New York's death toll is under 250 today if you trust worldomoters
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Donger 12:13 PM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
It's not that hard...

Current #s

1,022,000 confirmed cases
57,000 deaths
90% with underlying conditions per my CDC link
5700 healthy deaths
Now lets assume they are all under 65...
5700/1,022,000=.0055 or .5%
This would be the actual current CFR. We know from several antibody test, including NYC, that the denominator is at least 9 times higher than confirmed cases at 2.7 million...

5700/9,000,000=.0006 or .006%

https://www.livescience.com/covid-an...york-test.html
Did you leave out the age brackets deliberately, or accidentally?
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SAUTO 12:14 PM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
New York's death toll is under 250 today if you trust worldomoters
And only 2300 new cases.


But NJ jumped way up in deaths. Almost 400
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Donger 12:17 PM 04-28-2020
No need for this to be political, but I thought people should see it:

President Trump is expected to sign a five-page executive order under the Defense Production Act today that compels meat processing plants to remain open, CNN has learned.

Trump is expected to sign the order after some companies, like Tyson, were considering only keeping 20% of their facilities open. The vast majority of processing plans could have shut down, which would have reduced processing capacity in the country by as much as 80%, an official familiar says.

By signing the order, Trump will declare these plants as a part of critical infrastructure in the US.
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loochy 12:19 PM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
No need for this to be political, but I thought people should see it:

President Trump is expected to sign a five-page executive order under the Defense Production Act today that compels meat processing plants to remain open, CNN has learned.

Trump is expected to sign the order after some companies, like Tyson, were considering only keeping 20% of their facilities open. The vast majority of processing plans could have shut down, which would have reduced processing capacity in the country by as much as 80%, an official familiar says.

By signing the order, Trump will declare these plants as a part of critical infrastructure in the US.

Wrap those MFing workers in giant plastic bags and keep em at work
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Donger 12:22 PM 04-28-2020
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said at least 335 people across the state died of coronavirus yesterday.

"This is the worst news," Cuomo said of reporting the daily death count. "Every day, I think maybe today's the day the nightmare will be over, but it's not."

Monday's death total is down slightly from the 337 people who died on Sunday.
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IowaHawkeyeChief 12:24 PM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Did you leave out the age brackets deliberately, or accidentally?
What are you saying? Based on the CDC report 5700 have died that didn't have underlying health conditions. Some of these most likely were older than 65, but I still included those in the calculation of this being less deadly than the flu for those 65 and healthy or under... If you really want to look at deaths by age, I don't think you will find the numbers you think.
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IowaHawkeyeChief 12:28 PM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
Horrible comparison...

Was social distancing being put into place when these deaths happened during the flu season?
It's not a horrible comparison. We can use policy as much as we can to isolate those in high risk group, and let everyone else open up. Sweden will most likely be proven to have the right approach in the long run, especially if there is another wave.
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banyon 12:29 PM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
What are you saying? Based on the CDC report 5700 have died that didn't have underlying health conditions. Some of these most likely were older than 65, but I still included those in the calculation of this being less deadly than the flu for those 65 and healthy or under... If you really want to look at deaths by age, I don't think you will find the numbers you think.
This is what I've been trying to tell you, you are making this statement continually that "this is less deadly than the flu for those under 65" with absolutely no data broken down that way.
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Donger 12:29 PM 04-28-2020
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
What are you saying? Based on the CDC report 5700 have died that didn't have underlying health conditions. Some of these most likely were older than 65, but I still included those in the calculation of this being less deadly than the flu for those 65 and healthy or under... If you really want to look at deaths by age, I don't think you will find the numbers you think.
You didn't include any ages or age bracket data in that post.
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