Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! [Reply]
Originally Posted by kysirsoze:
Peyton was basically his own offensive coordinator. He called the plays himself. He didn't just audible hot routes and run hurry up.
He didn't call the plays in that way.
When he was in Indy what happened was that they would send in a package of plays (usually 3 plays with the same formation. 2 passes and a run) and Manning would then decide which of the three he would run at the LOS based on what the defense showed him pre-snap.
The idea that Manning was just calling what he wanted at any given time like an old school QB is just wrong, but once a narrative is established nobody really cares about accuracy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by WhiteWhale:
He didn't call the plays.
When he was in Indy what happened was that they would send in a package of plays and Manning would then decide which of the three he would run at the LOS.
The idea that Manning was just calling what he wanted at any given dime like an old school QB is just wrong.
The way I understood it (from a very knowledgeable Colts fan friend) is they would consult, but he could pick any play he wanted. He was in control of the play calling. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kysirsoze:
The way I understood it (from a very knowledgeable Colts fan friend) is they would consult, but he could pick any play he wanted. He was in control of the play calling.
They're wrong.
What do you mean by 'they would consult'? They would send in packages and he'd pick a play from those packages at the LOS. That's how it worked the whole time Moore was there.
I dunno about in Denver though.
Why would they have ever huddled if he called every play at the LOS? [Reply]
What do you mean by 'they would consult'? They would send in packages and he'd pick a play from those packages at the LOS. That's how it worked the whole time Moore was there.
I dunno about in Denver though.
Why would they have ever huddled if he called every play at the LOS?
In response to your edit... I mean that Peyton had the authority to choose whatever he wanted. I'm sure they had a short hand and knew what plays fit most situations, but the play call was the starting point anyway and Peyton would always adjust heavily at the line. I don't know if another modern QB has had that level of play calling control. That's all I'm saying. Plus they ran a lot of hurry up. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kysirsoze:
In response to your edit... I mean that Peyton had the authority to choose whatever he wanted. I'm sure they had a short hand and knew what plays fit most situations, but the play call was the starting point anyway and Peyton would always adjust heavily at the line. I don't know if another modern QB has had that level of play calling control. That's all I'm saying. Plus they ran a lot of hurry up.
Well I'm going to believe what Tom Moore said. [Reply]
So if Manning was calling everything how did he get the right personnel on the field? Like if he wants a play that requires a 22 package, how is he doing the subs?
Clearly someone on the side lines is calling the play to some degree, even if Manning had a lot of freedom to change things at the line. [Reply]
Originally Posted by CapsLockKey:
When they used scheme as an excuse for negating some of his good plays is where I stopped. So I guess Brady overcomes the terrible scheme that NE runs? Nevermind the level of defenses each QB faced though 3 weeks. Mahomes played Balt and Jax. Brady and Dak faced the worst teams in the league.
They explain this badly, but I think what they are saying is that the quarterback gets less credit for hitting a wide open guy than for accurately throwing into a tight window. So Mahomes has less chance to earn high ratings because of a combination of his ability to manipulate a defense with his eyes and also because of good calls being played which leave receivers wide open. [Reply]
The fact that Patrick Mahomes is outplaying his MVP season from a year ago is even more impressive when you realize he’s been doing it without his All Pro WR, Pro Bowl LT and starting RB. And it feels like what he’s doing each week doesn’t surprising anyone anymore. Remarkable.
The fact that Patrick Mahomes is outplaying his MVP season from a year ago is even more impressive when you realize he’s been doing it without his All Pro WR, Pro Bowl LT and starting RB. And it feels like what he’s doing each week doesn’t surprising anyone anymore. Remarkable.
Lol, for real. How many rushes does he have this year? I can remember two, maybe three? One being an 11 yard run for a first down against the Ravens..... [Reply]
The fact that Patrick Mahomes is outplaying his MVP season from a year ago is even more impressive when you realize he’s been doing it without his All Pro WR, Pro Bowl LT and starting RB. And it feels like what he’s doing each week doesn’t surprising anyone anymore. Remarkable.
