This "Lamar Jackson is in the same league as Mahomes" nonsense on every football related show I see needs to stop.
Lamar Jackson, on the biggest stage, has now shit down his leg in both opportunities. Lamar is a player who has to have everything around him working perfectly to have success. Put him down 2 scores and ask him to carry the team, he cannot answer the bell.
There's a big difference between a running quarterback, and a quarterback who can run. Lamar Jackson and The Ravens ran 88 plays and put up 12 points.
Jackson attempted 59 passes, only threw one touchdown, but also threw two picks and lost a fumble. 12 points on 59 pass attempts should tell you all you need to know about Lamar as a QB when the lights are the brightest.
Nobody would bat an eye if before the game, soneone told us Pat would put the ball up 59 times. Matter of fact, id be pretty excited to see how many points and yards he would put up in that span of plays.
When things got bad for both QBs, you saw the odds on favorite to win the MVP this year get visible frustrated, press, and ultimately fold. He was nowhere to be seen trying to work out what was happening, rallying his team, he simply pouted on the sideline as his team fell further behind.
The reigning MVP had literally no quit. Its one thing to say after the fact, that we had faith all along, its quite another for that to be true.
Down 24, think about that for a moment. 24. Mahomes is captured, in that moment on the sideline saying we have everything we want. Everyones already counted us the **** out, so go do something special.
Then, to walk the walk after talking the talk, leading the team to 7 straight touchdowns and 8 scoring drives, throwing 5 touchdown passes, and displaying a fiery emotion that if you dont feel anything when you see this kid going nuts after a huge play, call the coroner, because youre already dead.
The two qbs could not be further apart. Jackson cannot hold Mahomes jock when it comes to putting the team on his back.
Lamar should consider signing with KC as a running back. Its the only way barring injury to Mahomes, that hes ever getting a ring.
Mahomes is the MVP. Its not even close. Lamar is a running back executing the halfback pass play about 20-25 times a game.
Jacksons first two years have ended with dud playoff performances.
Mahomes first two years as a starter sees his team hosting back to back AFC title games for a frachise that in its entire history never hosted a single one before he arrived. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic:
I personally think that Jackson can become a better passer, with better coaching, and that he can be a solid starting QB in this league.
I respectfully disagree. You are either a natural thrower or you are not. Lamar is NOT a natural thrower. He might improve a little bit BUT he will never develop into that NFL caliber throwing QB EVER. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
Kind of feel bad for Lamar. You either have accuracy or you don’t. His game is what it is. He didn’t ask to be the most overhyped player in recent memory.
Naturally my frustration with Jackson is with the media, not with Jackson himself. Which is just another reason to pile on the my Everest size pile of reasons I don’t consume much sports media.
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
Titans put out a blueprint to stifle Lamar Jackson. He's going to have to develop much better accuracy of he wants to repeat this season.
Hell man, WE put out a blueprint. We just trying him to the sideline and made him pass out of the option. We couldn’t stop Ingram and still made Jackson look silly. I really think if you don’t try to get up field and make him beat you passing you’re golden.
Originally Posted by FringeNC:
That the Ravens had a top 5 offense is a testament to Greg Roman. He completely optimized that offense to minimize the weaknesses of Lamar Jackson. I don't think he'll be able to do it again with teams having an entire off-season to mull it over, but we will see. That was just a horrific performance by Lamar Jackson in that contest. Can we all agree on that?
To me it’s really weird Roman didn’t get a HC job. If I were a team, the ability of Roman to get offensive production from sub-standard passers would be a huge asset. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
To me it’s really weird Roman didn’t get a HC job. If I were a team, the ability of Roman to get offensive production from sub-standard passers would be a huge asset.
Well like any big successful industry whatever business your in and especially those at the top, it is very incestuous. What do I mean by that ? Everybody knows everybody and at one point or another and has worked with everybody. And this is especially true in the NFL. Everybody talks. Who knows why he didn't get an interview ? But I assure there is a reason and may not even be football related, who knows? [Reply]
People are delusional...NFL History hasn't been kind to these wildly inaccurate running quarterbacks. If a quarterback isn't comfortable standing in the pocket, reading a defense, and stepping into a throw they have NO future. Cam Newton, Kaepernick, RGIII and Tebow all had their hype-trains derail after one year of productivity.
Jackson might buck that trend but it's more likely he's a Cam Newton project. The baltimore defense might keep the games close but the defenses in the NFL are too fast and too violent to get worked over by a running back that can't make professional QB throws. [Reply]
Originally Posted by seamonster:
People are delusional...NFL History hasn't been kind to these wildly inaccurate running quarterbacks. If a quarterback isn't comfortable standing in the pocket, reading a defense, and stepping into a throw they have NO future. Cam Newton, Kaepernick, RGIII and Tebow all had their hype-trains derail after one year of productivity.
Jackson might buck that trend but it's more likely he's a Cam Newton project. The baltimore defense might keep the games close but the defenses in the NFL are too fast and too violent to get worked over by a running back that can't make professional QB throws.
Leave Cam Newton out of it. All told, he's actually had a really good NFL career, certainly more than "one year of productivity".
The dude eclipsed 4,000 passing yards as a rookie for crying out loud. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic:
Talking heads like Wiley want to give Lamar Jackson a pass on his poor playoff performances. I mentioned earlier, or in another thread, that Wiley and Deion Sanders both seem to go out of their way to make excuses for Jackson, and I think it's because of his skin color. Mahomes isn't "black" enough for them, so they support Jackson at all costs.
Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes have each played in 2 postseasons. Mahomes is 3-1 and Jackson is 0-2. And Jackson had the more complete team last year, but couldn't beat the Chargers at home. This year he couldn't beat the Titans at home. His poor play contributed greatly to both losses.
I personally think that Jackson can become a better passer, with better coaching, and that he can be a solid starting QB in this league. I don't feel the need to tear him down, and make disparaging comments about his talent, because his performances in the playoffs say it all.
I thank God, I thank the heavens and stars, and I thank fate and destiny, for delivering Chiefs Kingdom the QB we have deserved for so long. We couldn't have wished for a more perfect QB, or a better person, to be the face of our beloved Chiefs, and to lead this team to a Super Bowl.
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THIS!!!! It pisses me the **** off. It's like you can't point out Jackson's shortcomings or else you are a ****ing uncle tom or something. That's bullshit. The mofo can't read a defense or throw outside of the numbers. I tell it like it is when it comes to sports. IDGAF what their race is. That light skin dark skin bullshit is irritating. We need to get out of that bullshit. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Leave Cam Newton out of it. All told, he's actually had a really good NFL career, certainly more than "one year of productivity".
The dude eclipsed 4,000 passing yards as a rookie for crying out loud.
He had a pretty solid 8 year career considering how physical he is in the running game. Took a ton of huge hits. Generally speaking, I don't think he is anywhere near as accurate as you want your franchise QB to be. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DRM08:
He had a pretty solid 8 year career considering how physical he is in the running game. Took a ton of huge hits. Generally speaking, I don't think he is anywhere near as accurate as you want your franchise QB to be.
I'd agree, but Cam is one of the few who was just good enough as a passer to make it work. Once you add in the threat of him running, he was a much better QB than average. [Reply]
Went to see a friends band play last night, he’s from Baltimore area and had a decent amount of Baltimore fans there. I can tell you they all believe in Lamar, and don’t like hearing about him being a running back. “Lamar had a better season than Mahomes” “Lamar is a better quarterback “ I was like are you kidding me? Lamar hasn’t beaten Mahomes or even won a playoff game. Their fan base is delusional. They didn’t like it when I got the bar doing the war cry and chop!! [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Leave Cam Newton out of it. All told, he's actually had a really good NFL career, certainly more than "one year of productivity".
The dude eclipsed 4,000 passing yards as a rookie for crying out loud.
Was surprised when I looked up Newtons numbers. Besides 2015 he was mediocre (QB-wise) and as a rookie he threw 17 interceptions and had 21 touchdowns. Not good. He's another guy that fell in love with the run instead of developing pocket presence and took some filthy hits. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Leave Cam Newton out of it. All told, he's actually had a really good NFL career, certainly more than "one year of productivity".
The dude eclipsed 4,000 passing yards as a rookie for crying out loud.
Cam originated the "Fuck it, Tyreek's down there somewhere" meme...
Dude was hucking deep ball to Steve Smith left, right and center. He wasn't much of a pure passer, but he had no fear and was willing to just launch it and let Smith go get it.
He didn't really do a lot of 'quarterbacking' in a 'read the defense and run a calculus' sort of thing. Frankly he NEVER really developed that skill set. But he embraced a gamblers mentality and played with his hair on fire.
Ultimately for his career he was a sub-60% passer with a pretty pedestrian Adjusted Y/A so he wasn't making up for low precision through an avalanche of downfield connections. He was Eli Manning with the ability to to run the football. That's valuable, but it's not what I would call a great pure passer.
But he was who you would ultimately hope Jackson could become. A guy who was never a truly good passer but who could threaten all parts of the field. And with his ability to do to that AND run the football, he makes defenses account for a lot.
Jackson simply doesn't threaten enough of the field as a passer. Even if he's a little more precise on the short stuff than Newton is, he's not a credible threat to challenge too many parts of the field so I think his ceiling is lower than Newtons in terms of team success. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Leave Cam Newton out of it.
No we can't. Just because he made it to a SB doesn't mean he is beyond criticism at the QB position. Actually HE IS the poster boy of the new kid on the block that no one saw or played against in order to prepare for and NEVER PLAYED against an elite defense until the SB against Denver.
Wade Phillips recognized very quickly in his study of Cam that his extreme physical giftedness was smoke screening the fact not only was his throwing very inaccurate but even more importantly he was still very "elementary" in reading coverages, recognizing defenses, not picking up blitzes, not audibling to the correct play, etc.....
Ever since Cam's SB debacle he has never been the same. You would think once he got exposed he would become a student of the game therefore relying less on his athleticism and more on his mind to be more successful while taking less hits to ensure a longer career. But that didn't happen. He went back to the same ol, same ol and when he chose not to become a student of the game, the rest of the league (DCs) caught up with him and figured him out just like Phillips did and continued to take more hits physically.
Cam's problem is his extreme emotionally immaturity(immense NARCISSISM) it's all about him and only giving lip service to the team and fans. Coaches have let him get away with this since he was a kid because of extreme athleticism that still led to wins. You see his "fire in the belly" is about HIM and not about the team or the game. When you are more concerned about your post game fashion presser appearance than you are becoming a student of the game then your lifespan in the NFL as a QB is on borrowed time. Can you imagine Pat being like this ? NO !! Yes Cam had injuries, BUT IMHO he used those injuries as a way to duck out and quit. His "fire in the belly" that was only about HIM finally burned out as well meaning he lost his confidence in himself to take it to the next level because he just didn't want to do the work required. [Reply]
Originally Posted by seamonster:
Was surprised when I looked up Newtons numbers. Besides 2015 he was mediocre (QB-wise) and as a rookie he threw 17 interceptions and had 21 touchdowns. Not good. He's another guy that fell in love with the run instead of developing pocket presence and took some filthy hits.
LOL Dawg, you're tripping. Peyton Manning threw 26 TDs and 28 INTs his rookie year. Matt Ryan 16 TDs and 11 INTs. Matthew Stafford 13 TDs, 20 INTs. Andrew Luck 23 TDs, 18 INTs.
None of those guys threw for 4,000 yards in their rookie year. Cam Newton did. None of those guys added an additional 14 rushing TDs like Cam did either.
Cam Newton came into the league a pretty good passer. He didn't make it a point to focus on elevating his game from the pocket or avoiding big hits which ended up limiting him to just a good NFL career instead of the all-time great career he had the potential to achieve.. but to say he had just one year of good productivity or that his rookie season wasn't good is just asinine. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
I'd agree, but Cam is one of the few who was just good enough as a passer to make it work. Once you add in the threat of him running, he was a much better QB than average.
Yeah, I would take Newton over a Kirk Cousins for sure. [Reply]