Originally Posted by O.city:
Sure, weak draft and all.
All teams talked about was how you could get starters thru the what, 3rd round?
But those guys won't be immediate contributors because they were taken with picks 33 and 34 yet i'm guessing you're gonna say a guy like Thornhill will be because?
Dude, I didn’t say they won’t. I’ve said multiple times that it’s unlikely. Do you fucking read? And let’s not pretend that there’s not a huge difference in corners and safeties. We’re talking about arguably the most difficult position to transition to in the NFL outside of QB. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Dude, I didn’t say they won’t. I’ve said multiple times that it’s unlikely. Do you ****ing read? And let’s not pretend that there’s not a huge difference in corners and safeties. We’re talking about arguably the most difficult position to transition to in the NFL outside of QB.
I asked you why you don't think those guys will contribute early? Wasn't making a statement
Why is corner the most difficult outside of QB? I'd say DL would be above that and maybe WR, but more so because they come in so raw these days. [Reply]
This discussion can go on forever, but bottom line; if the Chiefs choosing Frank Clark over Dee Ford helps contribute to them winning a Super Bowl in the next couple years, then NO ONE will give a shit about the choice and the price paid.
Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin:
This discussion can go on forever, but bottom line; if the Chiefs choosing Frank Clark over Dee Ford helps contribute to them winning a Super Bowl in the next couple years, then NO ONE will give a shit about the choice and the price paid.
Part of this Clark deal is that multiple high picks that were supposed to be cornerstones, didn't work out and then the old cornerstones got shipped out, something had to be done.
After Ford wasn't what they wanted and Peters got shipped out of town with the fall offs of Houston and Berry, something had to be done. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
I asked you why you don't think those guys will contribute early? Wasn't making a statement
Why is corner the most difficult outside of QB? I'd say DL would be above that and maybe WR, but more so because they come in so raw these days.
How often are there good rookie corners? Jessie Bates and Justin Reid both had good rookie years. How many good rookie corners were there taken outside of the 1st?
And I said arguably. Reading comprehension issues? It’s either corner or DL. Meanwhile, safety is probably one of the easier ones. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Part of this Clark deal is that multiple high picks that were supposed to be cornerstones, didn't work out and then the old cornerstones got shipped out, something had to be done.
After Ford wasn't what they wanted and Peters got shipped out of town with the fall offs of Houston and Berry, something had to be done.
The Peters thing was really killer. Just losing a player that productive at that spot.
Originally Posted by staylor26:
How often are there good rookie corners? Jessie Bates and Justin Reid both had good rookie years. How many good rookie corners were there taken outside of the 1st?
And I said arguably. Reading comprehension issues? It’s either corner or DL. Meanwhile, safety is probably one of the easier ones.
Ok, and I was "arguing" it.
I'd say RB and LB would be the easier ones. I think safety is somewhere in the middle, just because of all they're asked to do now is more difficult than just playing CF. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Ok, and I was "arguing" it.
I'd say RB and LB would be the easier ones. I think safety is somewhere in the middle, just because of all they're asked to do now is more difficult than just playing CF.
Lol I love how you can’t take the heat when I call you out on being a fucking moron, but you just love arguing with me.
You said it yourself that you wouldn’t have been confident in either of those guys starting. So what the fuck are you arguing about?
I’ll ask again, how often do you see good rookie corners outside of the 1st? Very rarely. Hence “unlikely” to get an immediate impact from 2 corners that weren’t 1st round talents in weak draft. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Lol I love how you can’t take the heat when I call you out on being a ****ing moron but you just love arguing with me.
You said it yourself that you wouldn’t have been confident in either of those guys starting. So what the **** is your point?
I'd have been fine with Murphy, think he could have done it pretty early.
My main point was just the value of one of them hitting and becoming a good player, while on a rookie deal, is worth a lot. You aren't getting that value with Clarks deal.
And I don't really pay any attention to you calling me out for being a moron. Just kinda skim past it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
I'd have been fine with Murphy, think he could have done it pretty early.
My main point was just the value of one of them hitting and becoming a good player, while on a rookie deal, is worth a lot. You aren't getting that value with Clarks deal.
And I don't really pay any attention to you calling me out for being a moron. Just kinda skim past it.
Literally one page ago:
Originally Posted by O.city:
I'm not sure I'd have been that excited about either of those CB's to be honest though either.
I know you’re full of shit, because I actually really liked Murphy unlike you and I wouldn’t have expected anywhere close to the impact of a guy like Frank Clark from a rookie corner taken late in the 1st.
That’s all I’m saying. I liked Murphy and Ya-Sin. That doesn’t mean they were going to come in an be good corners right alway because that’s extremely rare. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Literally one page ago:
I know you’re full of shit, because I actually really liked Murphy unlike you and I wouldn’t have expected anywhere close to the impact of a guy like Frank Clark from a rookie corner taken late in the 1st.
That’s all I’m saying. I liked Murphy and Ya-Sin. That doesn’t mean they were going to come in an be good corners right alway because that’s extremely rare.
I said "I'm not sure"
Meaning I don't know how I would have felt, would have had to have looked into them more.
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Apparently a lot of the league viewed Thornhill as a first rounder and he's having a good camp. Chiefs are def high on him.
I'm kind of out on this Verdarame guy as well. He seems to maybe get some info sometimes, but he kinda puts out stuff that's already out there. I'm not sure. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
I said "I'm not sure"
Meaning I don't know how I would have felt, would have had to have looked into them more.
Can't you read?
Yes I can read. You went from “not sure” about them period to “think he could have done it pretty early”. That was quick. Must’ve looked into them in between posts. Considering most corners don’t “do it pretty early”, sounds like it really gave you some confidence in Murphy too. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Yes I can read. You went from “not sure” in general to “think he could have done it pretty early”. That was quick. Must’ve looked into them in between posts.
I think he could have done it early, but I'm not sure. Seems to fit. [Reply]