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Halfcan 01:50 PM 05-04-2020
Speaks took it easy in the offseason again- but said he will cut the weight when he gets to camp.
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OKchiefs 02:14 PM 05-04-2020
I guess it's not fair to hate on Speaks personally, but I despise the pick because it was a dumb pick from day 1. The comparison I will constantly give for Speaks is Turk McBride, another DE/DT tweener from the SEC picked in the 2nd round. McBride had 9.5 total sacks over a 7 year career. You don't take players like Speaks in the 2nd round who offer very little upside, you take them in the 3rd or 4th. I didn't like the pick of Kpass the year before either, as he was incredibly raw and took 3 years to finally contribute, but at least he had the physical attributes to see some hint of a future if he developed. Speaks doesn't have the size or strength to ever be more than a rotational pass rusher at DT, and he doesn't have the speed or athleticism to get after the QB from DE. Again, no problem with that type of player if he's taken in the 4th. But a 2nd round pick should be able to contribute sooner than later. Willie Gay or Juan Thornhill are the types you take in the 2nd. 2018 wasn't a stellar draft class overall, but there are multiple quality players at several positions that were taken not too long after Speaks.
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RunKC 02:29 PM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
I guess it's not fair to hate on Speaks personally, but I despise the pick because it was a dumb pick from day 1. The comparison I will constantly give for Speaks is Turk McBride, another DE/DT tweener from the SEC picked in the 2nd round. McBride had 9.5 total sacks over a 7 year career. You don't take players like Speaks in the 2nd round who offer very little upside, you take them in the 3rd or 4th. I didn't like the pick of Kpass the year before either, as he was incredibly raw and took 3 years to finally contribute, but at least he had the physical attributes to see some hint of a future if he developed. Speaks doesn't have the size or strength to ever be more than a rotational pass rusher at DT, and he doesn't have the speed or athleticism to get after the QB from DE. Again, no problem with that type of player if he's taken in the 4th. But a 2nd round pick should be able to contribute sooner than later. Willie Gay or Juan Thornhill are the types you take in the 2nd. 2018 wasn't a stellar draft class overall, but there are multiple quality players at several positions that were taken not too long after Speaks.
Veach will draft busts just like every other GM. It’s too tough of a business to hit on these picks every year. His last 2 draft classes look very good to me.

Also keep in mind Veach got Ward, Neimann and Rankin on rookie deals who were from that draft class. I’d consider Nnandi and Ward to be hits while Speaks and Rankin are TBD. Neimann is probably a decent get. Not really good or bad.
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OKchiefs 02:47 PM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Veach will draft busts just like every other GM. It’s too tough of a business to hit on these picks every year. His last 2 draft classes look very good to me.

Also keep in mind Veach got Ward, Neimann and Rankin on rookie deals who were from that draft class. I’d consider Nnandi and Ward to be hits while Speaks and Rankin are TBD. Neimann is probably a decent get. Not really good or bad.
No argument there. Veach did really well IMO the past 2 years. I don't always agree 100% with every pick, but I can generally see the rationale and get on board. 2018 was a different story, but I give Veach a mulligan on that one. I just didn't like the draft class that year from day 1 and that belief hasn't really changed. Speaks and DOD just weren't great picks. People have suggested the goal was to get scheme versatile players, but sometimes being a tweener doesn't make you versatile. In both of their cases they just weren't great at any one thing. I personally don't like tweener types in general, but that's just me.
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staylor26 04:00 PM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
I guess it's not fair to hate on Speaks personally, but I despise the pick because it was a dumb pick from day 1. The comparison I will constantly give for Speaks is Turk McBride, another DE/DT tweener from the SEC picked in the 2nd round. McBride had 9.5 total sacks over a 7 year career. You don't take players like Speaks in the 2nd round who offer very little upside, you take them in the 3rd or 4th. I didn't like the pick of Kpass the year before either, as he was incredibly raw and took 3 years to finally contribute, but at least he had the physical attributes to see some hint of a future if he developed. Speaks doesn't have the size or strength to ever be more than a rotational pass rusher at DT, and he doesn't have the speed or athleticism to get after the QB from DE. Again, no problem with that type of player if he's taken in the 4th. But a 2nd round pick should be able to contribute sooner than later. Willie Gay or Juan Thornhill are the types you take in the 2nd. 2018 wasn't a stellar draft class overall, but there are multiple quality players at several positions that were taken not too long after Speaks.
Such a lazy fucking comparison.

Speaks had 7 sacks in the SEC his last year as an interior pass rusher. His pass rush upside alone makes him a better prospect than Turk McBride who had 3.5 sacks total in his entire college career. The only reason you’re making that comparison is because they play the same position, they’re from the SEC, and they were drafted by the Chiefs in the 2nd round.

Speaks was a significantly better prospect. Give me a fucking break.
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Mecca 04:19 PM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Such a lazy fucking comparison.

Speaks had 7 sacks in the SEC his last year as an interior pass rusher. His pass rush upside alone makes him a better prospect than Turk McBride who had 3.5 sacks total in his entire college career. The only reason you’re making that comparison is because they play the same position, they’re from the SEC, and they were drafted by the Chiefs in the 2nd round.

Speaks was a significantly better prospect. Give me a fucking break.
I can't believe you gave me a thumbs down for preaching patience and using the Kpass example sir! :-)
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staylor26 04:24 PM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
I can't believe you gave me a thumbs down for preaching patience and using the Kpass example sir! :-)
My bad that was an accident. I definitely agree with you 100%.

I do it all of the time due to where I put my finger to scroll :-)
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tyecopeland 04:26 PM 05-12-2020
825,000 1 year deal. No guaranteed money. Definitely not considered a lock to make the roster solely based on this contract.
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Chief Northman 04:38 PM 05-12-2020
Originally Posted by tyecopeland:
825,000 1 year deal. No guaranteed money. Definitely not considered a lock to make the roster solely based on this contract.
Taco can play. He has potential starter ability.

It is his attitude and work ethic that has been called into question in his short tenure in the league. Sounds like this contract is loud and clear in that this could be one of his last chances to smarten up.
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Chiefshrink 05:45 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Northman:
Taco can play. He has potential starter ability.

It is his attitude and work ethic that has been called into question in his short tenure in the league. Sounds like this contract is loud and clear in that this could be one of his last chances to smarten up.
Yes, he may smarten up for a year playing for a future better contract BUT if you are Veach and Taco has a good year NOT great what do you offer him then and vice versa if he has a GREAT year knowing his work ethic has a sputtering history?
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BossChief 06:20 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by Chiefshrink:
Yes, he may smarten up for a year playing for a future better contract BUT if you are Veach and Taco has a good year NOT great what do you offer him then and vice versa if he has a GREAT year knowing his work ethic has a sputtering history?
Comp pick
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Chiefshrink 06:39 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by BossChief:
Comp pick
:-)
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R Clark 04:52 PM 05-12-2020
This could turn out to be a damn good signing ,if it does doubt we will be able to keep him long term
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R Clark 04:54 PM 05-12-2020
I know it’s highlights but he looks good in them
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MVChiefFan 07:49 PM 05-12-2020
Originally Posted by R Clark:
I know it’s highlights but he looks good in them
I look good in my highlights, too.



:-)





Meh, who am I kidding? I’ve never had a highlight.

:-)
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