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Nzoner's Game Room>Fire Bob Sutton
petegz28 10:12 PM 10-19-2017
That is all.
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Jimmya 07:31 PM 12-02-2018
Mack Brown couldn't even hire Greg Robinson as his DC due to social media backlash at UNC... And there were still some Robinson backers on this site back in the day. Lol
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JakeF 07:35 PM 12-02-2018
Originally Posted by rabblerouser:
Because that's what the NFL has evolved into.


Except for Jacksonville - they have a GREAT defense. They won 6-0 today.

You can always be a Jacksonville Jaguars fan?
Well, go ahead and have Sutton's baby. I'll pass.

Just don't ask any of our defenders to catch your baby as it shoots out, they'll drop it.
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TEX 07:35 PM 12-02-2018
Originally Posted by rabblerouser:
Because that's what the NFL has evolved into.


Except for Jacksonville - they have a GREAT defense. They won 6-0 today.

You can always be a Jacksonville Jaguars fan?
Most teams win wothout having to score 30 - 40. KC cant b/c the defense is terrible. Specifically the Inside LB'S and Secondary.
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JakeF 07:36 PM 12-02-2018
Originally Posted by rabblerouser:
Hitchens looks like shit because he doesn't tackle and is a total liability in coverage.
Then why did we want to sign him in Free Agency?

Why did we want to trade for Fuller if he sucks? Why was Fuller the league's best corner if he really sucks?

:-)
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Pitt Gorilla 07:40 PM 12-02-2018
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Houston looks like a shadow of his former self more and more often. He’s slowing down fast and isn’t elite anymore. Ford is good but can we trust him to be this guy consistently?
Jones is awesome.

Literally everyone else sucks or is a rookie that’s learning.

Take out the rookie players that are learning and you have veterans who are dogshit. Every secondary player not named Jordan Lucas or Kendall fuller is trash.
Every ILB not named Anthony Hitchens or Dorian O’Daniel (rookie) should be let go.

Dorsey and our scouts ****ed this team hard. Blown draft picks and failed character character concerns with Peters and Hunt.

Oh yeah, we need a mother****ing RB now too.

****!!!!
It certainly doesn't help when your leading rusher is your QB. It's a little easier to control the game when you have a competent running game.
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rabblerouser 07:45 PM 12-02-2018
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Sutton just seems to lack game awareness. Like the game against the Rams. You need 1 stop to win the game. Credit for the D almost making the game winning INT. But when they didn't he put a even-slow-when-healthy Sorenson on the guy 1-1 who ended up scoring the game winning TD.

Parker continues to make shit reads and at some point you have to ask yourself why the coaches haven't corrected that?

Finally I think be brings pressure too inconsistently. We were all over Goff at the end of the game and the game winning drive our pressure disappeared and we gave up a huge play for the loss.

I just don't quite get how year after year, regardless of who the players are, his defenses can rarely hold onto leads regardless of how large they are. And as far as being clutch he is almost non-existent.

Broncos down by 7 @ KC and no TO's, under 2 min to go = we lose in OT
Titans down by 2= defense gives up game winning FG
Chiefs up 14 over the Jets = Chiefs lose to the Jets
Chiefs up 4 TD's over Indy = we lose to Indy
Chiefs up 3+ TD's over Ten = we lose to Ten
Chiefs up 21 over Pit = we squeak out the win
Rams down by 4, no TO's under 2 min to go = Rams win

This guy has a pattern of not getting the clutch stop or dominating other teams.

There have neen a few rare exceptions but they are just that....rare
all those losses are on Reid/Smith, except for the one in bold, which is the game where we had a 24-17 lead with like 45 seconds left, Reid called a pass to JC who FUMBLED TO THE BRONCOS WHO SCORED TO TIE THE GAME.

If you blame Sutton for that, then I don't know what to tell you.
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ILChief 08:56 PM 12-02-2018
Can we just sticky this thread until the SOB is gone?
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petegz28 09:22 PM 12-02-2018
Originally Posted by rabblerouser:
all those losses are on Reid/Smith, except for the one in bold, which is the game where we had a 24-17 lead with like 45 seconds left, Reid called a pass to JC who FUMBLED TO THE BRONCOS WHO SCORED TO TIE THE GAME.

If you blame Sutton for that, then I don't know what to tell you.
I blame Sutton because in regulation all we had to do was keep Denver out of the end zone. They had 0 timeouts, 1:45 and had to go 80 yards. We keep them out, we win. It's that simple.
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TEX 09:25 PM 12-02-2018
The _efense still gave up 30 to the Raiders, and that was with getting 3 turnovers. :-)
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JakeF 09:26 PM 12-02-2018
Originally Posted by ILChief:
Can we just sticky this thread until the SOB is gone?
Many people still insist that our defense is still just fine.
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ThaVirus 09:28 PM 12-02-2018
Aside from having Hitchens covering the deep middle on that Cook TD, he called a decent game. Players just need to make plays.

The ILBs and safeties on this team are shit tier. We get gashed consistently on the ground which gives the opponent manageable 3rd downs. We can't afford to move bodies from the middle of the field to help our shitty corners either.

I've concluded that our major issue is effort. When these guys decide to man up and tackle, this defense is more than good enough to get the job done. They just need to do a better job of bottling up these runs. Our pass rushers, particularly Ford, really excel when they can pin their ears back and get after the QB. Tough to do that when we're consistently giving them 3rd and <4 looks with the full playbook open.
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rabblerouser 09:43 PM 12-02-2018
Originally Posted by TEX:
The _efense still gave up 30 to the Raiders, and that was with getting 3 turnovers. :-)
Fuck me, I must live in some alternate universe where Derek Carr is completing 70% of his passes and has over 3000 yards passing already this season.
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rabblerouser 09:49 PM 12-02-2018
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Aside from having Hitchens covering the deep middle on that Cook TD, he called a decent game. Players just need to make plays.

The ILBs and safeties on this team are shit tier. We get gashed consistently on the ground which gives the opponent manageable 3rd downs. We can't afford to move bodies from the middle of the field to help our shitty corners either.

I've concluded that our major issue is effort. When these guys decide to man up and tackle, this defense is more than good enough to get the job done. They just need to do a better job of bottling up these runs. Our pass rushers, particularly Ford, really excel when they can pin their ears back and get after the QB. Tough to do that when we're consistently giving them 3rd and <4 looks with the full playbook open.
This is 100% accurate.

This Sutton witchhunt reminds me of when everyone had their pitchforks and torches out for Greg Robinson because he was SO terrible (and he was), but remember the stupid predictions when Gunther was brought back - 'top 10!' "TOP 5!!" "DEFINITELY SUPER BOWL THIS YEAR BECAUSE GUNTHER". But because they didn't upgrade the PLAYERS the defense actually got worse, because the players were still terrible and still didn't make plays.

You could replace Bob Sutton with Bill Belichick, but if a mother****er won't tackle, it would have the same result.

Duh.
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Jimmya 10:21 PM 12-02-2018
Just admit that Sutton is shi**y... It's not that difficult... All over TV and radio commentators are bashing this defense. Pat M is the only one who can save this defense.
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rabblerouser 10:28 PM 12-02-2018
Originally Posted by Jimmya:
Just admit that Sutton is shi**y... It's not that difficult... All over TV and radio commentators are bashing this defense. Pat M is the only one who can save this defense.
If the majority of people + TV and radio commentators are saying it, then I KNOW I'm right, because 99% of all people, especially the ones on TV and radio, don't have a fucking clue what they're talking about.
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Sweet Daddy Hate 12-02-2018, 11:15 PM
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