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Eleazar 07:50 AM 07-13-2017
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate:
Boy, that Clark sure is aces at firing. Perhaps one day, his hiring talent will catch up!

Idiots.
He was the only person in the Hunt family, and probably the entire world, that wanted Scott Pioli to stay. That should tell us something.
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DaneMcCloud 01:28 PM 07-13-2017
Originally Posted by Cochise:
He was the only person in the Hunt family, and probably the entire world, that wanted Scott Pioli to stay. That should tell us something.
It should tell you that Clark knows his shit.

Pioli went to 3 Super Bowls in New England and was the Executive of the Year several times, hired and fired by the Chiefs, only to go to the Super Bowl with the Falcons after running their draft for two seasons.

Pioli may have been a disaster in terms of hiring a coaching staff and running a front office but he definitely knows player personnel.
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Sweet Daddy Hate 04:29 PM 07-13-2017
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
It should tell you that Clark knows his shit.

Pioli went to 3 Super Bowls in New England and was the Executive of the Year several times, hired and fired by the Chiefs, only to go to the Super Bowl with the Falcons after running their draft for two seasons.

Pioli may have been a disaster in terms of hiring a coaching staff and running a front office but he definitely knows player personnel.
Peeholi doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. John Baldwin? Tyson fucking Jackson?

Oh yeah, he was a fucking genius!

Anyone not completely incompetent could make the Berry and Houston picks. There is NO special skill or talent on his part with those picks.

None.

At.

All.

That his buddy Dimitrioff in Atalanta gave him a glorified pencil-pushing gig after being such a COLOSSAL fuck up in KC means absolutely nothing.
And that you would revise history and use this absolute fucking clown to prop up Clark Hunt, just goes to show how mind-bendingly far you've fallen down the rabbit hole to complete fucking insanity.
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DaneMcCloud 04:32 PM 07-13-2017
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate:
Peeholi doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. John Baldwin? Tyson fucking Jackson?

Oh yeah, he was a fucking genius!

Anyone not completely incompetent could make the Berry and Houston picks. There is NO special skill or talent on his part with those picks.

:-)

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate:
That his buddy Dimitrioff in Atalanta gave him a glorified pencil-pushing gig after being such a COLOSSAL fuck up in KC means absolutely nothing.
And that you would revise history and use this absolute fucking clown to prop up Clark Hunt, just goes to show how mind-bendingly far you've fallen down the rabbit hole to complete fucking insanity.

Hey Dumbfuck, Pioli has run the drafts the past two seasons in Atlanta. He's drafted some damn good players, all of whom helped them reach the Super Bowl after the 2016 season.

He knows personnel.

And you're nothing than a moronic blowhard that knows absolutely nothing about the NFL.
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DaWolf 04:46 PM 07-13-2017
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate:
Peeholi doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. John Baldwin? Tyson ****ing Jackson?

Oh yeah, he was a ****ing genius!

Anyone not completely incompetent could make the Berry and Houston picks. There is NO special skill or talent on his part with those picks.

None.

At.

All.

That his buddy Dimitrioff in Atalanta gave him a glorified pencil-pushing gig after being such a COLOSSAL **** up in KC means absolutely nothing.
And that you would revise history and use this absolute ****ing clown to prop up Clark Hunt, just goes to show how mind-bendingly far you've fallen down the rabbit hole to complete ****ing insanity.
It's a combination of things with some guys. I believe Pioli is one of those Peter Principle guys who does OK if he stays in his lane, but was given way too much power here. Letting him hire the coaches and have final say on the roster and coaching staff were not wise. Sticking him in a room and telling him to watch film on guys that the coaches actually want and will fit their scheme would have been wiser. He should never be the face of a franchise. That's why I think Hunt made sure the second time around to make sure the football coach reported directly to him and had had final say on his staff. The whole Pioli hiring coordinators for Haley thing was a joke.

But Pioli is likely only good at evaluating certain positions as well. You listed some of his failures, but his biggest one no doubt was having no clue what to do at the QB position. I think he saw Tom Brady and felt that if you take any hard working QB, he could turn him into an all pro. Instead we got the Cassel's and Stanzi's of the world. Certainly having Matty Ice being coached by Shanarat Jr makes the Falcons a much better situation to be in, and that kudos goes to Dimitrioff. But Pioli is probably in his lane over there helping to fill out the roster as a subordinate...
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Red Dawg 12:33 PM 07-14-2017
Originally Posted by Cochise:
He was the only person in the Hunt family, and probably the entire world, that wanted Scott Pioli to stay. That should tell us something.
Wanted Pioli to stay? What the hell are you talking about?
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RealSNR 02:06 PM 07-14-2017
Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy:
Wanted Pioli to stay? What the hell are you talking about?


He wanted to make a Reid/Pioli relationship work. I think he got to be pretty good friends with Fat Scott.

Lucky for us Reid just said, "No, Clark. Do it the right way."
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Eleazar 02:14 PM 07-14-2017
Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy:
Wanted Pioli to stay? What the hell are you talking about?
It was widely reported at the time that everyone in the ownership group wanted to fire Pioli except Clark.

Clark wanted to keep Scott Pioli, but for some reason put Dorsey out on his ear in the middle of the summer, when he'd let Dorsey run the team's draft - including selecting a QBOTF and trading next year's first round pick away - just 2 months earlier.
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DaneMcCloud 02:42 PM 07-14-2017
Originally Posted by Cochise:
It was widely reported at the time that everyone in the ownership group wanted to fire Pioli except Clark.
By whom?

This has about as much credibility as Marty Schottenheimer's waitress girlfriend.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/20480591/...-power-from-gm

Many fans want Pioli gone. Hunt said he won't decide on Pioli's future until he selects the new Kansas City Chiefs head coach, which he hopes will be in a matter of days. But Hunt made clear Monday that it was he, not Pioli, who decided to fire head coach Romeo Crennel after the team ended 2-14 and clinched the first pick in the NFL draft.

"It was my decision, although it was one that Scott agreed with as well," Hunt said. He also made clear that he, not Pioli, would select Crennel's replacement.

"We are going to have a search committee. I am not going into the dynamics of the search committee," Hunt said, adding it would have "internal and external" members. "We are very well organized". He said it would be "a very efficient and thorough search," that he hopes to complete in a matter of days, and certainly within two weeks.

But two decisions by Hunt could perhaps reveal more about Pioli's future in Kansas City than anything else. For the first time in franchise history, Hunt said the coach will report to the owner rather than the general manager. Hunt did not reveal how he would referee disagreements between his general manager and coach.

And when it came time to tell the players about Crennel's firing, Hunt let Crennel first break the news, and then he spoke. Pioli wasn't in the room and has made no public comments this week. Hunt said he has much love, admiration and affection for Crennel. He said firing Crennel was a touch decision, but the NFL is a performance-based business. And his next comments were perhaps ominous for Pioli's future in Kansas City.

"Nobody gets a passing grade on the way the team performed this year," Hunt said. "And that includes Scott, and he knows that. And he takes responsibility for it."

Some believe Hunt hasn't dismissed Pioli yet because they are working out a severance deal, but Pioli's departure will come by Feb. 1.
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Sweet Daddy Hate 04:33 PM 07-13-2017
Sure............

Uh huh.
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RunKC 08:36 AM 07-14-2017
In the video that we drafted Mahomes, they cut to the war room and the first guy John Dorsey shakes hands with is Brett Veach. Then the awkward Clark Hunt hand shake to fist bump.

Isn't that some shit? Talk about foreshadowing.
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raybec 4 09:08 AM 07-14-2017
Originally Posted by RunKC:
In the video that we drafted Mahomes, they cut to the war room and the first guy John Dorsey shakes hands with is Brett Veach. Then the awkward Clark Hunt hand shake to fist bump.

Isn't that some shit? Talk about foreshadowing.
That's prescience.
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Red Dawg 02:18 PM 07-14-2017
He wanted that moron to stay? Clark went on TV and apologized that fans and swore he would right the ship with a new coach and GM but he really wanted Pioli to stay?

Clark was giving Pioli a pass on his total failure? With what happend recently I doubt that's true.
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PHOG 09:59 PM 07-14-2017
Good Luck, according to all here, You'll need it. Tear it up, man.
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pugsnotdrugs19 09:38 AM 07-15-2017
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/...-to-believe-me

I know most on here hate AP, but this is a story that a guy wrote up that is actually quite believable.. I won't try to explain it all here, but if you believe this, then it has the answer to what happened with Dorsey. Straight from Dorsey's mouth.

According to this, Dorsey asked Hunt for an out to go to GB in his next contract. Apparently, Clark wasn't having it, and basically just made the choice to go in a different direction right then and there.
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