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'Hamas' Jenkins 10:35 AM 12-10-2018
That's a good signing if you're on the brink of playoff contention and need a replacement for Terrance Gore :-)


Also, to continue an earlier discussion, I have a question for you all:

Who is a player that is currently in the HOF, is widely accepted by the general public/baseball literati as a HOFer, but you don't think belongs in the Hall?

I'll start with Tom Glavine. Without 4-6 extra inches on the outside of the plate he was just a junkballer with longevity.
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siberian khatru 10:38 AM 12-10-2018
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
That's a good signing if you're on the brink of playoff contention and need a replacement for Terrance Gore :-)


Also, to continue an earlier discussion, I have a question for you all:

Who is a player that is currently in the HOF, is widely accepted by the general public/baseball literati as a HOFer, but you don't think belongs in the Hall?

I'll start with Tom Glavine. Without 4-6 extra inches on the outside of the plate he was just a junkballer with longevity.
Jack Morris
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Mama Hip Rockets 11:46 AM 12-10-2018
Originally Posted by siberian khatru:
Jack Morris
Absolutely. Jack Morris being in the Hall of Fame is a joke. His career ERA+ was 105! But hey, he threw a lot of innings, so put him in the Hall!
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Jerm 10:47 AM 12-10-2018
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
That's a good signing if you're on the brink of playoff contention and need a replacement for Terrance Gore :-)


Also, to continue an earlier discussion, I have a question for you all:

Who is a player that is currently in the HOF, is widely accepted by the general public/baseball literati as a HOFer, but you don't think belongs in the Hall?

I'll start with Tom Glavine. Without 4-6 extra inches on the outside of the plate he was just a junkballer with longevity.
Of "modern" players, Bruce Sutter or Bill Mazeroski

I think you could make the legit argument against Ozzie Smith too...albeit not a popular opinion lol.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 10:52 AM 12-10-2018
Originally Posted by Jerm:
Of "modern" players, Bruce Sutter or Bill Mazeroski

I think you could make the legit argument against Ozzie Smith too...albeit not a popular opinion lol.
If you throw Smith out, you're gonna need to get rid of Larkin, Yount, Trammell, and Ernie Banks, too.

Smith is arguably the greatest defensive player that ever lived. That's a pretty transcendent skill set, especially since he was an above average hitter for a SS at that time.
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Jerm 10:55 AM 12-10-2018
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
If you throw Smith out, you're gonna need to get rid of Larkin, Yount, Trammell, and Ernie Banks, too.

Smith is arguably the greatest defensive player that ever lived. That's a pretty transcendent skill set, especially since he was an above average hitter for a SS at that time.
Fair points...I don't know if I'd personally make the case against Ozzie (probably because I really like him lol) but I think someone a lot smarter than me could.

I think Sutter is the real stand out one though.
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duncan_idaho 11:24 AM 12-10-2018
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
That's a good signing if you're on the brink of playoff contention and need a replacement for Terrance Gore :-)


Also, to continue an earlier discussion, I have a question for you all:

Who is a player that is currently in the HOF, is widely accepted by the general public/baseball literati as a HOFer, but you don't think belongs in the Hall?

I'll start with Tom Glavine. Without 4-6 extra inches on the outside of the plate he was just a junkballer with longevity.

Craig Biggio (has to be in because of 3,000 but meritless otherwse)

Jack Morris (very good, not great)

Bill Mazerowski, Rabbit Maranville, Johnny Evers, Joe Tinker, Frank Chance
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Demonpenz 10:44 AM 12-10-2018
Looking at the list of HOF. Pucket and Barry Larkin stick out.
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OKchiefs 10:47 AM 12-10-2018
If the Royals have any faith at all that Lopez can be the future at 2B, I think they're pretty much set with enough options at almost every position to consider a Merrifield trade if they can get a decent return.
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BigCatDaddy 11:08 AM 12-10-2018
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
If the Royals have any faith at all that Lopez can be the future at 2B, I think they're pretty much set with enough options at almost every position to consider a Merrifield trade if they can get a decent return.
This is your 43rd post saying the same thing.
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OKchiefs 11:11 AM 12-10-2018
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
This is your 43rd post saying the same thing.
Not exactly. My point is that signing Owings and Hamilton now gives us enough depth and options that we can make the trade without leaving a huge hole in the roster. We now have options/competition at CF, 2B, and 3B, all the positions that Merrifield could be penciled in at.
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BigCatDaddy 11:30 AM 12-10-2018
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Not exactly. My point is that signing Owings and Hamilton now gives us enough depth and options that we can make the trade without leaving a huge hole in the roster. We now have options/competition at CF, 2B, and 3B, all the positions that Merrifield could be penciled in at.
Yes. Those guys obviously are the same as Merrifield.
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OKchiefs 11:34 AM 12-10-2018
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Yes. Those guys obviously are the same as Merrifield.
When did I say they're the same? You can't really be that dense. They don't need to be the same, they just need to give us enough capable bodies to not be left with a complete black hole at any one position. Despite what Moore has said about rebuilding, they're clearly in rebuild mode. I'm not a big fan of Moore obviously, but I don't think he's that oblivious and ignorant to not see the merits of making a trade IF the right return is offered. Moore is covering his bases in case he is offered a return he can't refuse.
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CaliforniaChief 10:48 AM 12-10-2018
Joey Gathright v2.0
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Demonpenz 10:50 AM 12-10-2018
Joey Gathright was Tom Goodwin 2.0
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