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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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TLO 12:59 PM 04-14-2020
Missouri numbers yesterday (According to MO DHSS website)

Cases in Missouri: 4,388

Total Deaths: 114

Patients tested in Missouri (by all labs): approximately 47,680
As of 2:00 p.m. CT, April 13

Missouri numbers today

Cases in Missouri: 4,686

Total Deaths: 133

Patients tested in Missouri (by all labs): approximately 47,680 (not yet updated for 4/14/20
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'Hamas' Jenkins 01:00 PM 04-14-2020
Originally Posted by patteeu:
You mean a political agenda of saving lives?
Touting the efficacy of a drug without evidence which has not yet been demonstrated and wasn't apparent weeks ago is actively harmful.
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petegz28 01:02 PM 04-14-2020
Originally Posted by Fish:
Wow. Manhattan, KS just canceled summer. I wonder if other KS cities will follow...

Manhattan is also making other changes to reduce costs:
- Cancel the 2020 swimming pool season
- Cancel the 2020 youth and adult sports leagues
- Cancel parks and recreation sponsored camps, activities and events
- The Arts in the Parks concert season cancelled
- Continued closure of City facilities and attractions to the public
- Delaying some planning and infrastructure projects
- Eliminating travel and reducing training budgets
- Selective hiring freeze of new employees

https://www.wibw.com/content/news/Ma...569626821.html

Wow WTF? It's fucking April and shit.
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TLO 01:02 PM 04-14-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Public service announcement:
If you have asthma or COPD and use an albuterol inhaler for acute Shortness of breath or maintenance, I'd recommend you get stocked up on your inhalers ASAP. Get a couple of months supply if you dont already have that much in your possession.
What's the news? Are these being prescribed as treatments or something?
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dirk digler 01:03 PM 04-14-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
I posted a couple of lengthy posts just a couple of pages back on how we were doing this 20+ years ago. This is a well known option.


If these Dotors are just now using this technique they are ****ing idiots need to lose their license. This would be a level of incompetence akin to a patient is short of breath, but don't give them some oxygen. This is a 100% agreed to step by the medical community. a no-doubt decision.

This is a novel virus no one knows how to fight this so they were originally trying things that China and Italy have long been doing. Lots of doctors are trying different things to combat this so I don't think they are incompetent.
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Rain Man 01:05 PM 04-14-2020
Originally Posted by Fish:
Wow. Manhattan, KS just canceled summer. I wonder if other KS cities will follow...

Manhattan is also making other changes to reduce costs:
- Cancel the 2020 swimming pool season
- Cancel the 2020 youth and adult sports leagues
- Cancel parks and recreation sponsored camps, activities and events
- The Arts in the Parks concert season cancelled
- Continued closure of City facilities and attractions to the public
- Delaying some planning and infrastructure projects
- Eliminating travel and reducing training budgets
- Selective hiring freeze of new employees

https://www.wibw.com/content/news/Ma...569626821.html

That seems more economic than pandemic. I'd never thought about this, but the synergy is that cuts for economic reasons might coincidentally help extend the pandemic measures if it cancels events and sports, and those are usually early on the chopping block.
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TLO 01:06 PM 04-14-2020
Age Ranges of Deaths Number of Deaths
Under 20 0
20-29 0
30-39 3
40-49 4
50-59 14
60-69 24
70-79 39
80+ 49
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BryanBusby 01:07 PM 04-14-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Wow WTF? It's fucking April and shit.
People have to plan things out in advance, Pete.
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Discuss Thrower 01:10 PM 04-14-2020
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
That seems more economic than pandemic. I'd never thought about this, but the synergy is that cuts for economic reasons might coincidentally help extend the pandemic measures if it cancels events and sports, and those are usually early on the chopping block.

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dirk digler 01:11 PM 04-14-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
https://twitter.com/scottgottliebmd/...581031428?s=21

Interesting read

This would make sense and be similar to what Hamas was talking about in regards to the angiotensin pathway iirc

I posted about that a week or so ago that alot of doctors anecdotally were seeing lots of clotting with covid patients. There are also seeing it in the autopsy's. Some people suggest start patients on aspirin prior to hospitalization as a possible treatment.
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Donger 01:17 PM 04-14-2020
Deaths today already surpassed yesterday. But, I guess that's to be expected.
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SupDock 01:20 PM 04-14-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
I posted a couple of lengthy posts just a couple of pages back on how we were doing this 20+ years ago. This is a well known option.


If these Dotors are just now using this technique they are ****ing idiots need to lose their license. This would be a level of incompetence akin to a patient is short of breath, but don't give them some oxygen. This is a 100% agreed to step by the medical community. a no-doubt decision.
I'm not trying to be disagreeable, but proning awake non-ventilated patients isn't a standard of care that I am aware of. I'm not saying there isn't a place for it, but using it as a technique to avoid mechanical ventilation in a non-ICU setting seems sketchy.

Is there data to suggest it reduces need for invasive ventilation? I would think it depends on the patients trajectory, as delaying intubation can be dangerous. If someone is on the floor, proning may just delay the inevitable, and have higher risk of profound hypoxia if their condition rapidly changes.
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TLO 01:20 PM 04-14-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Deaths today already surpassed yesterday. But, I guess that's to be expected.
Why is that to be expected?
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Donger 01:22 PM 04-14-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
Why is that to be expected?
Because deaths lag new cases and hospitalizations. By what, 10 to 14 days, I think?
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dirk digler 01:24 PM 04-14-2020
Originally Posted by SupDock:
I'm not trying to be disagreeable, but proning awake non-ventilated patients isn't a standard of care that I am aware of. I'm not saying there isn't a place for it, but using it as a technique to avoid mechanical ventilation in a non-ICU setting seems sketchy.

Is there data to suggest it reduces need for invasive ventilation? I would think it depends on the patients trajectory, as delaying intubation can be dangerous. If someone is on the floor, proning may just delay the inevitable, and have higher risk of profound hypoxia of there condition rapidly changes.

According to the article I posted a page or 2 back, NY doctors are now proning covid patients and giving them oxygen instead of putting them on vents right from the start. It seems to be helping.
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