Football It’s official: Pats were always Tom Brady. Not Bill Belichick. - Page 13

Bill falls to 2-4 without Brady.

Brady goes to 5-2 with Tampa, turning them into a title contender immediately.

Tampa had the #1 SRS (points above avg team) in the NFL of +13.1. And that was before they trashed the Fighting Chuckies today.
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Call me a believer that Brady doesn't become Brady if it isn't for Bill. Bill constructed an offense tailor-made for Tom, coached him up, and always fielded a great defense to go with it. He's got absolute at dogshit at QB right now. Bill can win 10-11 games with just mediocre. Hell, he won 11 with Matt fucking Cassel.
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Originally Posted by htismaqe:
In the regular season.

We're talking about winning championships.

Well, to be fair, there's a bunch of average QBs that won a ring.

Just off the top of my head:

Phil Simms
Jeff Hostetler
Jim McMahon
Mark Rypien
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Nick Foles

And the list just goes on.

And there's another list of exceptional QBs that didn't win one, or only just the one.
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Without Belichick, he'd just be another Peyton Manning.
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Originally Posted by kccrow:
Call me a believer that Brady doesn't become Brady if it isn't for Bill. Bill constructed an offense tailor-made for Tom, coached him up, and always fielded a great defense to go with it. He's got absolute at dogshit at QB right now. Bill can win 10-11 games with just mediocre. Hell, he won 11 with Matt fucking Cassel.

True... The dumpster fire of a division they play in sure doesn't hurt either.
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Originally Posted by tyecopeland:
Your only example that a great qb wins a championship with a bad coach is 9 td 17 int peyton manning winning with the Broncos. I'm still waiting for a real example of a great qb leading a team with a bad coach.

George Seifert?
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Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Mike McCarthy won one with Aaron Rodgers. Mike McCarthy is a terrible head coach.

I wondered if you'd go there. I agree.

Now. Eli manning, Joe Flacco, 9 td on the season at one point benched peyton manning, and nick foles have all won super bowls since the last time a great qb won with a terrible coach.
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990:
George Seifert?

Was he Steve youngs super bowl winning coach? All I know is he's a former 49ers coach.
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Originally Posted by tyecopeland:
I wondered if you'd go there. I agree.

Now. Eli manning, Joe Flacco, 9 td on the season at one point benched peyton manning, and nick foles have all won super bowls since the last time a great qb won with a terrible coach.

Despite his regular season warts, Eli Manning will likely be a Hall of Famer.

Tom Coughlin isn't a terrible coach but he isn't a good one either. And he's a miserable human being.
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Originally Posted by tyecopeland:
Was he Steve youngs super bowl winning coach? All I know is he's a former 49ers coach.

Yeah, he won 2 rings with the loaded 49ers. He was awful in Carolina and got fired after 3 seasons.
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Originally Posted by tyecopeland:
Was he Steve youngs super bowl winning coach? All I know is he's a former 49ers coach.

Yes. 1994.
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Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Yes. 1994.

He was the HC in 1989 as well. It was his first season. They went 14-2 and won it all with Joe Montana at the helm.

Quarterback Joe Montana had one of the greatest statistical passing seasons in NFL history in 1989. Montana set a then-NFL record with a passer rating of 112.4, with a completion percentage of 70.2%, and a 26/8 touchdown-to-interception ratio. In the playoffs, Montana was even more dominant, with a 78.3% completion percentage, 800 yards, 11 touchdowns, no interceptions, and a 146.4 rating.
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Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Despite his regular season warts, Eli Manning will likely be a Hall of Famer.

Tom Coughlin isn't a terrible coach but he isn't a good one either. And he's a miserable human being.

Only because of the rings.
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Just want to remind everyone that brady can't even remember it's 4th down without Bill in pressure situations.
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Originally Posted by tyecopeland:
Only because of the rings.

Does anything else matter? :-)
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Originally Posted by tyecopeland:
Just want to remind everyone that brady can't even remember it's 4th down without Bill in pressure situations.

Seems like for a lot of people this is personal.

I can't stand either one of them, actually.

And yeah, maybe I've been a bit hyperbolic in my stance but I'm not going to change my mind.

QB's are much, much more important than coaches.
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