Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
This team isn't going to many games now, though. Not as currently constructed. And without a huge amount of luck or the influx of $100 million in added payroll, it wasn't going to win games now.
We're talking about the difference between winning 84 and 74 or 64.
They're going to upgrade the bullpen later this year with guys like Staumont and Lovelady. They're ready or near-ready. It's reasonable to take some time for those guys to develop and to let some cheap veteran arms build/try to rebuild some value. Adding guys like Diekman, Boxberger, etc. is done with an eye towards having more veteran guys (which would conceivably improve the team) and also having some guys who can be flipped for some form of value.
A terrible bullpen matters when you're a real contender. When you're an also-ran, it is meaningless unless the difference between "pretty bad" and "really bad" really means that much to you.
My fandom is based on the Royals being as awesome as possible as often as possible. It's a challenge for them due to the market sizes and realities of baseball. I'm not and haven't been a proponent of complete tear downs and purposeful tanks.
But if it happens naturally... ok.
Sort of related to tanking - naturally or unnaturally,
Do you think there are any players, other than Mondesi, that are completely untouchable?
I kinda wonder if they'd be willing to trade a Keller, Merrifield, Soler, Junis, etc. if they got blown away with an offer. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
I’ll be honest: I’m fine with seeing this team lose 10-20 extra games due to a crappy bullpen.
They have better young arms on the way in the near future (Zimmer, Staumont, Lovelady among them) that should add a lot of power back in the pen.
They’re trying to rehab some vets and build some trade value. If it doesn’t work, and it costs you games, the other effect is raising your next draft pick slot.
Add Duffy to the bullpen too. He will get injured again and it will be time to move him to the bullpen. [Reply]
I had no idea but Chris Ellis the pitcher they DFA probably won’t be back. The Royals have to offer him back to the Cards and they will more then likely get him back. He was the only the second pitcher who hasn’t allowed a run in the bullpen besides Zimmer but thanks Yost for DFA him you piece of shit [Reply]
Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!:
He was the only the second pitcher who hasn’t allowed a run in the bullpen besides Zimmer but thanks Yost for DFA him you piece of shit
Ned doesn't DFA anyone you dolt. That Dayton's job. [Reply]
You can get some international bonus dollars (might be helpful this year considering they’re expected to splash 3-4 million on Erick Pena). Or lottery ticket arms.
Sometimes you hit the jackpot. Most times, you don’t.
Fernando Tatis was acquired for James Shields, then proceeded to blow up into an elite prospect.
But when you’re bad, it makes sense to roll the dice and see if you get lucky. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Can we please drop the concept of “flipping” vets at the deadline?
It’s not real. It doesn’t happen. They have literally zero value.
Except it does happen. The Blue Jays keeping Elvis Luciano on their roster as a rule 5 pick completely negates your BS opinion that these trades have zero value. [Reply]
I just looked up Elvis Luciano who was part of the Jon Jay trade. Well he was the first player in the majors born after 2000, and he plays on the Blue Jays bc of the Rule 5 draft. We'd rather sign shitty T. Gore and Owings who will never amount to anything than try out a lottery ticket? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Jerok:
I just looked up Elvis Luciano who was part of the Jon Jay trade. Well he was the first player in the majors born after 2000, and he plays on the Blue Jays bc of the Rule 5 draft. We'd rather sign shitty T. Gore and Owings who will never amount to anything than try out a lottery ticket?
He was 18 years old when the Rule 5 draft happened and was at rookie ball last year. The Royals didn’t have him on the 40, so he wasn’t protected (and he was only eligible to be selected in the Rule V due to an unusual contract stipulation from his signing)
It was very surprising the Blue Jays took him and were willing to roster him all year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
I don’t care about his raw walk total if his approach continues to be good. Haven’t seen today’s game but know he’s 0-3 with 3 Ks.
Honestly, not sure why you’re worrying about that 25 ABs into the season, when he’s carry and OPS north of 1.000.