Originally Posted by Strongside:
Is Gunther still alive?
Gunther is a horrible coach. Absolutely horrible. One of the worst coordinators in Chiefs history that got lucky he was given Derrick Thomas and a cast of All-Pro's. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
One thing that we're obviously missing from when this defense was at it's best is a dominating presence at NT. Logan was just a big body on the DL last year, much like Williams seems to be this year. Nnadi flashes every once in a while when he's playing, though, so hopefully he earns the starting job soon.
So did Sutton run Poe into the ground? Seems he NEVER came off the field and only lasted a few seasons as a premier dt. [Reply]
Originally Posted by New World Order:
So did Sutton run Poe into the ground? Seems he NEVER came off the field and only lasted a few seasons as a premier dt.
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Sutton's defense forced a turnover that was taken away because of "forward progress".
And Alex Smith.
Wanna blame Bob for Indy in 2013, sure thing. But the Titans loss was more than just a defensive collapse.
Bob Sutton and Andy Reid, to my recollection, didn't make too much of a big deal about getting fucked with that forward progress gaff. Had they made a scene instead of lubing up for the raping I'd be less mad, but as always, from missed holds against the Chiefs to plays like that, we always let it ride.
If they can cut that down to 20-22 range (where they were last year), then maybe there'd be improvement across the board. I was trying to find out what was the yards allowed average on a first down play. I recall seeing a stat (it may had been the SNF game, but I'm not 100% certain) that on first downs, the Chiefs allowed somewhere close to 5-6 yards on first downs, but I couldn't find anything online to help support my thinking. [Reply]
I'm fully on board with the fire Bob Sutton now bandwagon. (I was on the NEVER Sutton bandwagon and the many versions of it since he came to KC)
He's an awful DC. I think his players have given up to be honest. Bad tackling, missing assignments etc. Thats on coaching. His players are thinking too much instead of responding. Hitchens is a much better LB than he's shown because hes thinking too much. The scheme needs to be dumbed down for the rest of the season.
Fire Sutton, promote from within to interim DC. Fire everyone at the end of the year on that side of the ball. I'd love to have someone like Jack Del Rio next year, a former KC guy that is a great defensive mind. He'd have complete control of the defense with Reid here. Hell, what's he doing now? [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
This is what the play looked like before the audible.
The Patriots went with an empty formation. That was absolutely the right defensive alignment to stop that play. It’s like you guys went brain dead and forgot that Edelman, Gordon and Hogan were beating our DB’s downfield. Oh and some guy named Gronk is lining up too. I’m told Bob is a brain dead mongoloid bc he wouldn’t double cover him, except that’s what he was doing on this defensive design.
Not one player on this defense did anything when they audibled. Nothing. Change the allignment to adjust, call a timeout. DO SOMETHING.
It doesn't matter - at least this way they just gave up the first.
Sell out to a run stop, Brady scores the TD over the top to Gordon, same result - this defense doesn't have the speed to attack or the smarts to react, because the players just aren't there.
Change the coordinator, change the scheme...doesn't matter, we'll have the same result unless we get better defenders.
Remember when going from Greg Robinson to Gunther was going to be the missing ingredient to get us to the Super Bowl? But we still had Eric Warfield and Kawvika Mitchell and Eric Hicks et al as STARTERS. Eric Warfield started for us for more than one season...then went to New England and couldn't even make the team.
The coordinator made not one lick of difference, because the defensive talent was terrible. Eric Downing...Junior Siaavi (sp?)...William Bartee...
You and I and every swinging dick reading this is still tied with William Bartee for career INTs.
And he STARTED. At LEAST a full season or two.
I'll ask again - if we're firing folks, can we please start with the doofy bastard of an ILB coach?
Its Mark DeLeone's first year in the role and everyone he's responsible for has regressed. Move him back to LBs assistant and find some crusty old ball coach who will at least get these guys playing downhill.
I mean shit - they are so tentative at this point that they get beat by EVERYTHING. Just decide to attack the LOS and only get beat in the air.
Sutton doesnt coach any individual players on a day to day basis - that's not his job. He cannot run any kind of defense effectively playing 9 on 11. If he ends up getting canned, so be it, but can we do something to give him credible ILB play first? [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I'll ask again - if we're firing folks, can we please start with the doofy bastard of an ILB coach?
Its Mark DeLeone's first year in the role and everyone he's responsible for has regressed. Move him back to LBs assistant and find some crusty old ball coach who will at least get these guys playing downhill.
I mean shit - they are so tentative at this point that they get beat by EVERYTHING. Just decide to attack the LOS and only get beat in the air.
Sutton doesnt coach any individual players on a day to day basis - that's not his job. He cannot run any kind of defense effectively playing 9 on 11. If he ends up getting canned, so be it, but can we do something to give him credible ILB play first?
Fire him and hire DJ to do the job. How much worse could it possibly be. [Reply]
Originally Posted by GloryDayz:
Bob Sutton and Andy Reid, to my recollection, didn't make too much of a big deal about getting fucked with that forward progress gaff. Had they made a scene instead of lubing up for the raping I'd be less mad, but as always, from missed holds against the Chiefs to plays like that, we always let it ride.
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Andy Reid will NEVER be that coach, sorry. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I'll ask again - if we're firing folks, can we please start with the doofy bastard of an ILB coach?
Its Mark DeLeone's first year in the role and everyone he's responsible for has regressed. Move him back to LBs assistant and find some crusty old ball coach who will at least get these guys playing downhill.
I mean shit - they are so tentative at this point that they get beat by EVERYTHING. Just decide to attack the LOS and only get beat in the air.
Sutton doesnt coach any individual players on a day to day basis - that's not his job. He cannot run any kind of defense effectively playing 9 on 11. If he ends up getting canned, so be it, but can we do something to give him credible ILB play first?
The fact that they fire Gibbs and needed two guys to replace him says a lot. The Chiefs have a coach for OLBs and a coach for ILBs. The defense is too complex. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
The fact that they fire Gibbs and needed two guys to replace him says a lot. The Chiefs have a coach for OLBs and a coach for ILBs. The defense is too complex.
I don't mind that.
There's no salary cap on coaches and the things you teach your ILBs and OLBs aren't the same. If you can have another person dedicating more of his time to a group of players, that's fine with me.
I don't see a problem with a CBs coach and a safeties coach. I'm not sure I'd agree with a DE coach vs. DT coach or multiple OL coaches, but the ILB/OLB distinction is kinda similar to TE vs WR to me. They do some things that are similar, but some things that are quite a bit different.
There's nothing terribly complex about 'read/react' and ideally that's exactly what we'd have our guys doing. The problem is that they suck at it. Their ability to diagnose a play is just comically bad. So if they're going to guess wrong anyway, might as well just have them sell out to stop SOMETHING. [Reply]
