Vote in this poll if you actually live in Jackson county.
We've all shared our opinions in the other thread. But who gives a shit what somebody in Platte County or Johnson County or Phoenix or NYC thinks. We're all just noise. [Reply]
Raise your hand if you'll stop being a Chiefs fan because they move to Kansas.
Originally Posted by tredadda:
If the Chiefs lose fans because the team moves across the border to Kansas then there is something wrong with their fandom.
Exactly what I was thinking. Just go ahead and stop rooting now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by jettio:
Chiefs are staying at Arrowhead.
Arrowhead Stadium is one of the most important assets involving the Chiefs.
Why would Chiefs leave Lamar Hunt's Favorite place on Earth?
Because the Royals asked for a new stadium and built the wrong puzzle to get that done and stupidly forced an election that lost?
When players in free agency say they don't care about money and they just want to find the right fit and a team that wins....you believe that too huh? [Reply]
Originally Posted by jettio:
Chiefs are staying at Arrowhead.
Arrowhead Stadium is one of the most important assets involving the Chiefs.
Why would Chiefs leave Lamar Hunt's Favorite place on Earth?
Because the Royals asked for a new stadium and built the wrong puzzle to get that done and stupidly forced an election that lost?
It was Lamar Hunt's favorite place on Earth and his dream.
He it's alive anymore and Clark stands to leave his unique footprint on the franchise with a new stadium. Hell they might it even name it Lamar Hunt Field at Buc-ee's Kansas Speedway Stadium in his honor. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Kiimo:
Chicago fans couldn't stop going nuts about Soldier Field moving to the suburbs. Those people are crazy there. If you don't live in a ten block square on the south side and know the very best Italian Beef sandwich place there, you aren't from the "real" Chicago, you're from "outside Chicago".
They're all stupid and it's because they have nothing else going on in their lives.
Or maybe you’re just generalizing and highlighting a small group of fans who are the loudest and don’t represent the majority that aren’t stupid and do have things going on in their lives and can cope with it.
But it’s not even comparable. Soldier Field is the oldest NFL stadium and in the heart of Chicago. Moving it an hour north to the suburbs is far more of a different experience than moving from Jackson County to wherever in Kansas it’ll be located. That’s random location 1 to random location 2. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
Or maybe you’re just generalizing and highlighting a small group of fans who are the loudest and don’t represent the majority that aren’t stupid and do have things going on in their lives and can cope with it.
But it’s not even comparable. Soldier Field is the oldest NFL stadium and in the heart of Chicago. Moving it an hour north to the suburbs is far more of a different experience than moving from Jackson County to wherever in Kansas it’ll be located. That’s random location 1 to random location 2.
Well yeah.
The new SF stadium is soulless compared to Candlestick. But the old stadium had bad access and rebuilding it at that location even with a heavy subsidy by the city of SF didn't make economic sense for the team. The new 'corporate' stadium has great access and has been a success. [Reply]
The new SF stadium is soulless compared to Candlestick. But the old stadium had bad access and rebuilding it at that location even with a heavy subsidy by the city of SF didn't make economic sense for the team. The new 'corporate' stadium has great access and has been a success.
Sorry, my issue is with his description of people in Chicago and his comparison to what the Chiefs might do. I’ll well aware of the SF transition which is obviously the closest comparison to what Chicago had planned to do.
I would like the Chiefs to stay at Arrowhead. Very, very badly. But if the economics don’t work and they get a better offer elsewhere, then it is what it is. Build a new awesome stadium and start new traditions. But I’m fairly confident the Kansas proposal is a lot of smoke and mirrors offered by people who don’t understand or care about the economics and just want to be the guys who brought the Chiefs over the border. If the project defaults in 10y and that has implications for the state of Kansas and/or the image of the Chiefs, they’ll likely either be long gone or have convenient amnesia as to their involvement. Welcome to politics.
The fact that some of you might actually take what they’re saying at face value is pure insanity. This is the height of all vanity projects. Economics be damned. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
Sorry, my issue is with his description of people in Chicago and his comparison to what the Chiefs might do. I’ll well aware of the SF transition which is obviously the closest comparison to what Chicago had planned to do.
I would like the Chiefs to stay at Arrowhead. Very, very badly. But if the economics don’t work and they get a better offer elsewhere, then it is what it is. Build a new awesome stadium and start new traditions. But I’m fairly confident the Kansas proposal is a lot of smoke and mirrors offered by people who don’t understand or care about the economics and just want to be the guys who brought the Chiefs over the border. If the project defaults in 10y and that has implications for the state of Kansas and/or the image of the Chiefs, they’ll likely either be long gone or have convenient amnesia as to their involvement. Welcome to politics.
The fact that some of you might actually take what they’re saying at face value is pure insanity. This is the height of all vanity projects. Economics be damned.
Your points make sense, but don't the last couple of sentences just describe building a stadium for your sports team perfectly? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pablo:
Your points make sense, but don't the last couple of sentences just describe building a stadium for your sports team perfectly?
For sure, but they’re selling it as something riskless with no consequences to anyone but the people financing it (that is, those buying the STAR bonds). And that’s not reality.
If these bonds were this amazing financing proposition, why wouldn’t Missouri or literally everywhere else be replicating the offer? Because it’s not as riskless and costless as the politicians - who probably don’t know or don’t care - purport it to be.
Counterfactual: some politicians in Jackson County come and say, “Voters, we can build this stadium for the Chiefs. You’ll risk nothing and lose no revenue. Would you vote ‘yes’ to that?” Of course they would. But it’s not accurate. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
For sure, but they’re selling it as something riskless with no consequences to anyone but the people financing it (that is, those buying the STAR bonds). And that’s not reality.
If these bonds were this amazing financing proposition, why wouldn’t Missouri or literally everywhere else be replicating the offer? Because it’s not as riskless and costless as the politicians - who probably don’t know or don’t care - purport it to be.
Counterfactual: some politicians in Jackson County come and say, “Voters, we can build this stadium for the Chiefs. You’ll risk nothing and lose no revenue. Would you vote ‘yes’ to that?” Of course they would. But it’s not accurate.
I can appreciate that. At the surface level it's politicians pandering for your vote/dollar/sports team and you have to remember that. The average voter does not understand the financial implications of anything they vote on, period. The Royals started this whole push and proceeded to give D+ effort once they got the ball rolling. Chiefs threw in a C attempt at the end to drive votes.
We'll just have to see how swept up KS gets because it sure as shit got crushed in Jackson County on those poor proposals. I can't imagine the Chiefs or Royals or KS do much worse than what we say over the last year. I think they'll work to make this happen collectively, maybe that was the plan all along :-) [Reply]
