Who are your top 5 all around players?
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The current top 3 is very clearly still LeBron, Durant, Curry. After that there can be some debate with Giannis, Harden, Kawhi, Doncic, AD, Jokic, and Embiid I'd say.
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Those top 3 really aren't very good defenders. I don't think overall there is much difference between those 3 and Leonard/Embid/Giannis. Booker is weak defensively as well so I wouldn't put him in that mix.
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Yes but they're so good offensively still that you have to put them at top 3 overall (and yes, I think there's a clear difference between them and everyone else in terms of their ability to create offense).

If we're talking best offense/defense combinations in the league, it's Giannis/Kawhi/Embiid.
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Actually I'd put Doncic near their level offensively too but he's so bad defensively that he's a tier below them overall.
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LeBron, Durant, Curry, Kawai, and Luka. The top 3 make the NBA watchable.
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Fair enough. I've enjoyed watching the Suns play more than any other team but to each their own.
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Lmao in what world is Giannis not top 5
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He probably wouldn't have had Shaq top 5 in his day either because he couldn't shoot the 3 ball.
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Don’t know what PG is taking but he is a different player. Wow
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By the way, my Durant comment isn't meant to be taken seriously. I wrote it for two reasons. One-- he can go rape himself. I don't like him.

Two-- I hate this notion of "clutch" in sports. Every time I hear the word I cringe a bit, even when it involves players I like in any sport. It implies these "clutch" guys are built of something differently than others, whether through a buildup of nerve or just because they're born with a "clutch" trait/mindset that other players just don't have.

No professional athlete practices being "clutch." There aren't clutch exercises or things in practice. If it seems like you're clutch, it's either you're just that damned good, you're lucky, or a combination of the two. And there certainly isn't any stupid fucking "clutch gene" out there. Skip Bayless and his horseshit belief in magic needs to die in a fire.

I'm not saying BigCatDaddy believes in that stuff either, because "clutch" is just such a common word that can mean more broadly, "Nice, he makes plays under pressure," but that's just quibbling at that point.
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Shaq was the best and most dominating player in the league during his prime and top 10 all time player. Shaq is the reason why Kobe Jeter has 3 rings and Kobe's bitch ass kept it from being more.
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Disagree with this part entirely. I LOVE to watch the young guys/teams mature and grow. The Hawks and Suns are both a blast. Hell, watching Terance Mann the other night was fun.
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Some guys such as Mahomes seem to rise to occasions where Some guys like say Aaron Rodgers seem to not even of both are very talented. Some may be by luck and some may be guys just don't handle that much pressure well.
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Totally agree and I think that's what made basketball so much better in the 80s and 90s.. You can identify with a team and watch the maturation process year after year. Same as with college back before all the 1 or 2 and dones.
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