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Nzoner's Game Room>***Official 2023 STL Cardinals Thread ***
BigRedChief 08:39 AM 03-29-2023
2023 thread. Walker makes the roster. I'll update the rosters and opening day lineup when its official

2023 Opening Day Lineup
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2022 Opening Day roster.
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For the new Cardinal fans that joined the Planet since last year, here are some of the historical threads going back to 2006.
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Ocotillo 12:03 PM 01-12-2024

BREAKING: Right-hander Jordan Hicks and the San Francisco Giants are in agreement on a four-year, $44 million contract, a source familiar with the deal tells ESPN. Hicks, 27, is expected to work as a starter after spending the majority of his career in the bullpen.

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) January 12, 2024

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raybec 4 12:11 PM 01-12-2024
Originally Posted by Ocotillo:
Maybe Bryan Price can get more out of him tha we could. It doesn't much matter if you're throwing heat at 104 if it's straight down the middle or way out of the zone.
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BigRedChief 12:15 PM 01-12-2024
Originally Posted by raybec 4:
Maybe Bryan Price can get more out of him tha we could. It doesn't much matter if you're throwing heat at 104 if it's straight down the middle or way out of the zone.
In the 2011 WS run we had a pitcher throwing 98 and that was considered so fast that most hitters can’t catch up with that speed. Now, they can catch up to a 104 mph pitch if it’s flat.
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DJ's left nut 12:25 PM 01-12-2024
Hicks fastball isn't flat. Or anything resembling it.

He just has command problems. If he took 5 mph off his stuff and could place it, he'd be Spencer Strider. He just can't hit the glove. If he needs to throw a strike, he can and it's probably a cock-shot. And if he's trying to waste a pitch, it's probably to the backstop. If he's throwing it at the black, god knows where it will end up.

It's just a complete inability to command his pitches. The raw stuff is some of the best in baseball history.
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Pasta Little Brioni 03:43 PM 01-12-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Hicks fastball isn't flat. Or anything resembling it.

He just has command problems. If he took 5 mph off his stuff and could place it, he'd be Spencer Strider. He just can't hit the glove. If he needs to throw a strike, he can and it's probably a cock-shot. And if he's trying to waste a pitch, it's probably to the backstop. If he's throwing it at the black, god knows where it will end up.

It's just a complete inability to command his pitches. The raw stuff is some of the best in baseball history.
Watch...he will flourish outside of this organization
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DJ's left nut 03:45 PM 01-12-2024
Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother:
Watch...he will flourish outside of this organization
Was largely the same guy in Toronto.

Any changes are gonna be slow coming, IMO. He's just gotta get a different mindset and man, that's awfully tough to ask of a kid that throws shit that works like his does.

"Hey, I know you have arguably the most incredible fastball the world has ever seen but...what if you didn't?"

We can sit here from our chairs and know that he'd be better of trading velocity for command. But man, if I threw 104 mph with slider movement like he does, I'd be pretty hard to get through as well.

And hey, it got him $44 million guaranteed. That's generational wealth, Holmes. Hard to argue with the results...
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BigRedChief 04:05 PM 01-12-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Guaranteed. That's generational wealth, Holmes. Hard to argue with the results...
Yeah, if you can throw a 100 mph fastball for a strike. You will get generational wealth after your rookie deal. As they should. Baseball has plenty of money. Some teams, like ours just don't like to spend it.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 07:00 PM 01-12-2024
Hicks is the definition of a thrower.
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Ocotillo 01:54 PM 01-13-2024

Cardinals May Wait On Goldschmidt Extension Talks Until Season Begins https://t.co/drm1ab0SYd pic.twitter.com/7YcCnxUuGD

— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) January 13, 2024

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Ocotillo 11:40 AM 01-14-2024

John Mozeliak #Cardinals just told us he has 2-years left on his contract and he believes that will be it for him in this particular role.

— Jim Bowden⚾️�� (@JimBowdenGM) January 14, 2024

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Pasta Little Brioni 02:40 PM 01-14-2024
Originally Posted by Ocotillo:
He should have been fired already.
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seclark 02:50 PM 01-14-2024
Dropping piss cakes in the urinals around the stadium would be a good job for Mo. especially during the 7th inning stretch.
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George Liquor 02:53 PM 01-14-2024
Originally Posted by seclark:
Dropping piss cakes in the urinals around the stadium would be a good job for Mo. especially during the 7th inning stretch.
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He can go change the piss cakes at Patty O's or Horseshoe. Get him out of Busch Stadium.
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BigRedChief 03:33 PM 01-14-2024
Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother:
He should have been fired already.
Yes, fuck that guy. 2 more years? GTFO :-)
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Pasta Little Brioni 05:16 PM 01-14-2024
I wouldn't pay Mo to fill those disgusting helmet nachos
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