Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Djokovic won four slams in a row (nobody else has done that in the Open Era) and his peak (2011-2016) was even higher than Federer's by any statistical measure. Guess who is considered the GOAT still (I'll give you a hint, it isn't Djokovic).
Face it, longevity matters a ton to this particular argument and LeBron is going to absolutely annihilate MJ in that. As much as it pains all of you to accept it, Nick Wright is right, he's in the process of lapping the field.
:-) @ comparing that peak to two 3-peats with a year and a half off in between.
Federer still won more. Even with the longevity and playing in what you yourself called a “pile of trash” conference for a decade, Lebron still will never have more. [Reply]
Same nonsense posts he's been making for eight years on that subject. They've generated this ideal in their minds of what MJ was and what he did and set an unreasonable standard that nobody will ever reach. It doesn't matter what anybody else accomplishes or how obvious it becomes that somebody has had (or is in the process of having) a better career than him. Whether that is LeBron himself (and he very clearly is going to have the better career by any individual statistical measure) or somebody else that comes after LeBron, MJ will always be the GOAT by that standard. It couldn't be any more of a ridiculous or irrational position to take. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26: :-) @ comparing that peak to two 3-peats with a year and a half off in between.
It's not me comparing it. It's simply statistical fact. Djokovic's peak was higher than Federer's (and yet he is not considered the GOAT because obviously that debate isn't just about that): http://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/peakEloRatings
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Federer still won more.
Yeah because he's still winning grand slams at 37 years old which nobody else has ever done. Just like LeBron is dishing out 40 point triple doubles in the playoffs in year 15 with no signs of slowing. It's the longevity that is killing absolutely any chance you have of MJ even staying competitive in this. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
It's not me comparing it. It's simply statistical fact. Djokovic's peak was higher than Federer's (and yet he is not considered the GOAT because obviously that debate isn't just about that): http://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/peakEloRatings
Yeah because he's still winning grand slams at 37 years old which nobody else has ever done. Just like LeBron is dishing out 40 point triple doubles in the playoffs in year 15 with no signs of slowing. It's the longevity that is killing absolutely any chance you have of MJ even staying competitive in this.
It’s so funny how you carefully pick and choose your words to fit your narrative. Get that ****ing “year 15” shit out of here. At 33 years old Jordan was just starting his second 3peat. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Same nonsense posts he's been making for eight years on that subject. They've generated this ideal in their minds of what MJ was and what he did and set an unreasonable standard that nobody will ever reach. It doesn't matter what anybody else accomplishes or how obvious it becomes that somebody has had (or is in the process of having) a better career than him. Whether that is LeBron himself (and he very clearly is going to have the better career by any individual statistical measure) or somebody else that comes after LeBron, MJ will always be the GOAT by that standard. It couldn't be any more of a ridiculous or irrational position to take.
Great game by LeBron but the Cavs didn't even win the series yet and keep in mind he is feasting on a team missing their two-best players in a weakass Eastern Conference so lets keep everything in perspective here.
It's also getting really old all your LeBron vs MJ posts. Are you going to make these posts after every great LeBron playoff game?
Let it go. Fair or not he's got to win more championships to be considered better buddy. Until then it is like comparing Peyton Manning to Brady. Sure he's got the stats to be up there but he's not a winner like Brady was and that's why you play the game - to win championships.
So make a MJ vs LeBron post after LeBron wins another championship. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection: :-) at ridiculous analogies being drawn to Marino/Manning (and the same dated arguments re only MJ "taking over games at will" that only moderately worked about eight years ago) in some kind of failed attempt to diminish LeBron's incredible numbers. It gets better and better.
MJ hit 50% of his game winning shots. That is totally insane. He averaged 33.5 PPG in the playoffs. Also totally insane. And there's nothing ridiculous at all about the Peyton analogy. Is there any doubt he was the best QB of all time? But he only won 2 Super Bowls (1 was basically a defensive Super Bowl). That does not diminish Peyton or Lebron. But there is way more to the story than numbers.
Even if he doesn't pass the eyeball test (and it seems everyone except Lebron fanboys... including those who don't give a shit knows MJ was more consistently great in the clutch), you keep blaming his supporting cast & coaches. Part of Lebron's legacy will be his leadership. He couldn't get along with coaches, doesn't want to run any offense except ISO ball, and he multiple times ruined teams by forcing his front office to make crippling personnel decisions. He's accountable for that too. MJ was an asshole, but what he wanted made the team better.
Yes, lebron will win longevity and is great at more things. But don't ever tell me lebron's peak is better than mj's peak. Last 5 min of every game was the mj show on offense and defense. Greatest mid range/fadeaway ever. Greatest defender ever. Greatest scorer ever. Greatest finisher ever. Greatest clutch athlete in the history of sports. Mj has multiple clutch shots in the finals and defensive plays. lebron only has a block. This push for lebron as goat is getting ridiculous. So is this whole idea that lebron is so heavily criticized is getting overblown. He is the most overglorified player in sports history. Yes, he's received his share of criticism but that was more before. Only one guy now ever criticizes him and its skip bayless. There is also a push by lebron fans to say alot of jordan's value is nostalgia. That is bull. Jordan is Goat. Lebron has a slim chance of taking that title.
Another point, IF I already had a decent supporting cast that took care of alot of the duties lebron fulfills, I'm taking a MJ hands down. Lebron is perfect for bad supporting casts. There are heavy diminishing returns when you start adding stars because lebron's value is that he does everything. This is why he doesnt have a good chance to win another title unless there are injuries involved. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ratchet:
Yes, lebron will win longevity and is great at more things. But don't ever tell me lebron's peak is better than mj's peak. Last 5 min of every game was the mj show on offense and defense. Greatest mid range/fadeaway ever. Greatest defender ever. Greatest scorer ever. Greatest finisher ever. Greatest clutch athlete in the history of sports. Mj has multiple clutch shots in the finals and defensive plays. lebron only has a block. This push for lebron as goat is getting ridiculous. So is this whole idea that lebron is so heavily criticized is getting overblown. He is the most overglorified player in sports history. Yes, he's received his share of criticism but that was more before. Only one guy now ever criticizes him and its skip bayless. There is also a push by lebron fans to say alot of jordan's value is nostalgia. That is bull. Jordan is Goat. Lebron has a slim chance of taking that title.
Another point, IF I already had a decent supporting cast that took care of alot of the duties lebron fulfills, I'm taking a MJ hands down. Lebron is perfect for bad supporting casts. There are heavy diminishing returns when you start adding stars because lebron's value is that he does everything. This is why he doesnt have a good chance to win another title unless there are injuries involved.
MJ wasnt even the best defender on his own team let alone ever lol come on now. This MJ lovefest is getting a little too overboard with some of these hot takes. [Reply]
