Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker had its premiere last night at the Dolby Theater in Hollywood. Non-Spoiler reviews and Twitter mentions are trickling out and they're overwhelmingly positive.
I'll be seeing the film Thursday night, 6:30pm PST but I'm not sure if I'll have time to post because we're traveling for the holidays, leaving at 4am the next morning. If I can't post Thursday evening, I'll get to it at some point over the weekend, maybe after I've seen it a second time.
It's a Spoiler thread but let's try to keep the real spoilery stuff in the Spoiler Tags through the weekend, just so we don't ruin the movie for someone that accidentally clicks on the thread.
I enjoyed it. Felt more Star Wars-y than that shit show of a middle movie in the trilogy. There were a few moments that gave me a sincere emotional reaction. I'd recommend it to anyone who is a fan of the franchise. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Bringing back Palpatine and making Rey a Palpatine is just a bridge too far, though. Especially when they don't even bother to explain either plot point.
Things have to be believable within the scope of the story.
I think it would have been better if they kept the same guy running all three movies. I did enjoy Rey's bit of dialogue at the end. [Reply]
Yeah that was one of the things I had issues with as a Star Wars fan that the average movie goer doesn't really think about. How many times have people narrowly escaped where just force grabbing their ship would have stopped them. Count Dooku escaping Yoda in Attack of the Clones comes to mind specifically.
Another big one was the fact that Kylo force resurrects Rey several minutes after she supposedly dies. I'm not sure how yo can go forward with a story involving Rey. As I would assume she would have the same ability since the closest we get to an explanation of how Kylo learns to do that is when Rey force heals him. (no idea where she learned it either) So how is there any danger when Rey's around? She can just heal people, and even if she doesn't get there in time to heal them she can just resurrect them.
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
So what Finn wanted to tell Rey the whole movie was that he's force sensitive.
Is that so? I never found out what Finns secret was.
Going a diff direction, my 7&9 year old boys loved it. They knew all the characters and loved seeing them come on screen. These movies aren’t made for dads they’re made for their kids. Lucas aptly said re: criticisms of Jar Jar: “These are kids movies”. And he’s right.
Personally I liked Palpatine’s role in the movie. Why does it matter if his granddaughter was hidden? Why is that impossible? Luke and Leia were hidden. Since I read no spoilers I had no clue that was her heritage [Reply]
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Personally I liked Palpatine’s role in the movie. Why does it matter if his granddaughter was hidden? Why is that impossible? Luke and Leia were hidden.
It's not believable within the context of the larger story.
Anakin didn't know his children had survived Padme's death. I can believe that.
If they had provided some kind of explanation for:
1. Why grandpa Palps was clappin' cheeks (really fucking stupid)
2. How the most powerful being in the galaxy managed to lose track of his only son.
3. How he ALSO managed to lose track of his incredibly powerful force sensitive granddaughter.
I maybe could have bought it.
But they didn't even try to explain shit.
It's not believable whatsoever. It's lazy storytelling because Snoke got kilt. As is making Rey ABSURDLY powerful. More powerful than ANY Jedi we've ever seen before.
If the Jedi Masters on the old council had her powers, Palpatine would have been fucked.
Stupid, lazy, hamfisted Jar Jar Abrams storytelling. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Is that so? I never found out what Finns secret was.
Going a diff direction, my 7&9 year old boys loved it. They knew all the characters and loved seeing them come on screen. These movies aren’t made for dads they’re made for their kids. Lucas aptly said re: criticisms of Jar Jar: “These are kids movies”. And he’s right.
Personally I liked Palpatine’s role in the movie. Why does it matter if his granddaughter was hidden? Why is that impossible? Luke and Leia were hidden. Since I read no spoilers I had no clue that was her heritage
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When doing a screening of the film for The Academy of Motion Pictures, J.J. explained that Finn was trying to tell Rey something at a couple points throughout the film, which never paid off or fully explained by the end of the movie.
According to Abrams, Finn was actually just trying to tell Rey that he thinks he is Force sensitive. There are several moments in the film where Finn makes comments about feeling something, and or knowing something through intuition.
Which just seems...wierd. Just doesn't feel like something you say to someone right before you think you're going to die. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
It's not believable within the context of the larger story.
Anakin didn't know his children had survived Padme's death. I can believe that.
He didn’t know where “Obi-Ben” was hiding out? He knew Ben didn’t die so why wasn’t he able to locate him. And he was just down the street from his own son. Isn’t that as big a plot hole ?
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If they had provided some kind of explanation for:
1. Why grandpa Palps was clappin' cheeks (really ****ing stupid)
I assumed the son was a test tube baby. His Jango Fett
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2. How the most powerful being in the galaxy managed to lose track of his only son.
Same way Anakin did
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3. How he ALSO managed to lose track of his incredibly powerful force sensitive granddaughter.
I maybe could have bought it.
But they didn't even try to explain shit.
What explanation suffices? If they told you daddy was a test tube baby does that make this plot better ?
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It's not believable whatsoever. It's lazy storytelling because Snoke got kilt. As is making Rey ABSURDLY powerful. More powerful than ANY Jedi we've ever seen before.
If the Jedi Masters on the old council had her powers, Palpatine would have been ****ed.
Stupid, lazy, hamfisted Jar Jar Abrams storytelling.
Seems Yoda was the most powerful given how long he lived and how many he trained and his infinity-somersault saber powers. (May the prequels be damned forever) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
It's not believable within the context of the larger story.
Anakin didn't know his children had survived Padme's death. I can believe that.
If they had provided some kind of explanation for:
1. Why grandpa Palps was clappin' cheeks (really fucking stupid)
2. How the most powerful being in the galaxy managed to lose track of his only son.
3. How he ALSO managed to lose track of his incredibly powerful force sensitive granddaughter.
I maybe could have bought it.
But they didn't even try to explain shit.
It's not believable whatsoever. It's lazy storytelling because Snoke got kilt. As is making Rey ABSURDLY powerful. More powerful than ANY Jedi we've ever seen before.
If the Jedi Masters on the old council had her powers, Palpatine would have been fucked.
Stupid, lazy, hamfisted Jar Jar Abrams storytelling.
Problem is we know nothing about Palpatine from episode 6 to episode 9. Did he die when he fell down the shaft & was somehow resurrected or did he just become very weak? If he died it would seem being dead he would have a hard time keeping track of his son. Rey would have been born about 10 years after he died so the fact that he even had a force sensitive granddaughter would not be something he would automatically know about.
Even if he survived in a weak state he lost all his resources so it doesn't seem difficult to see how his son could have escaped a weak Palpatine recovering form injuries without legions of storm troopers at his disposal. Again once Palps lost track of him the fact that he had a daughter would not necessarily be known to him.
I also don't find it hard to believe a guy who was the emperor of the entire known galaxy had a harem of women or that he may have attempted to create an heir in some way. [Reply]
