Chiefs are trading six-time Pro-Bowl WR Tyreek Hill to the Miami Dolphins for five draft picks: a 2022 1st-round pick (No. 29), a 2nd-round pick (No. 50) and a 4th-round pick, as well as 4th- and 6th-round picks in the 2023 draft, sources tell ESPN.
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Dorsey draft Hill? Kelce? Mahomes? Etc he obviously had issue but let’s not act like Dorsey didn’t hit some home runs
Veach has drafted some ok players. John Dorsey drafted superstars.
He brought this franchise a championship and should be in the ring of honor some day. [Reply]
Veach's first draft was shit. But his last draft was great. Draft like last year with all our picks and the Chiefs will be awfully annoying to play against for another 7-8 year run. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Here's a list of the #50 picks over the last 30 years. Give me a combination of the 29 and 50 picks that you'd rather have than Tyreek.
The bottom line is that the team will get worse. You can argue that the Chiefs were basically doing damage control so anything is better than nothing. But we're not going to win this trade on the football field unless we get really, really lucky.
2021 Azeez Ojulari OLB
2020 Jaylon Johnson CB
2019 Irv Smith Jr. TE
2018 Connor Williams T
2017 Justin Evans S
2016 Nick Martin G
2015 Ronald Darby CB
2014 Jeremiah Attaochu LB
2013 Jonathan Bostic LB
2012 Isaiah Pead RB
2011 Marcus Gilchrist DB
2010 Javier Arenas DB
2009 Mohamed Massaquoi WR
2008 Calais Campbell DE
2007 Chris Henry RB
2006 Marcus McNeill T
2005 Ron Bartell DB
2004 Devery Henderson WR
2003 Bruce Nelson G
2002 Chester Pitts T
2001 Dominic Raiola C
2000 Barrett Green LB
1999 Shaun King QB
1998 Germane Crowell WR
1997 Mike Logan DB
1996 Patrick Sapp LB
1995 Bobby Taylor DB
1994 Brentson Buckner DT
1993 Victor Bailey WR
1992 Eddie Robinson LB
You need to mix in those that were drafted at least 10 picks after each of those at 30-39 and 51-60, and could probably expand that even further with Veach and team's ability to scout talent. Tyreek was a 5th round pick... [Reply]
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Again Brett has hit two home runs, Creed/Smith the rest have been solid but not home runs, or they are out of the league
I think you'll get very little argument that the 2018 draft was a complete disaster.
But from that point forward he's been good to very good.
Thornhill, Fenton and Allegrett are all very good picks for where they were taken. And even Hardman is giving us a fair amount more value than MANY guys taken in the 2nd that year. And he was taken near the back of it. Moreover, he really hit his stride down the stretch last year and there's reason to believe he can continue to progress.
Gay and Sneed have been very good picks, even Danna has been a contributor as a 5th round afterthought.
And last year obviously had Bolton and Humphrey, but Smith was a MONSTER of a pick as well. A 6th rounder becomes a rookie starting G and plays the position as well as all but a handful of guys in the league? Lord, that's an amazing pick.
HRs: Bolton, Humphrey, Smith, Sneed
Doubles off the wall: Gay and Thornhill, both of whom are likely HRs but/for injuries. Hardman's a double but he's rounding second and may make that into a hustle triple before all is said and done. Fenton is also a double but could easily be more than that if he emerges in a starting role this year.
Solid singles: Danna and Allegretti - 3rd day depth contributors are absolutely vital to maintaining roster depth. Nnadi has been a 3 year starter who is staying in the league after his rookie deal as a 3rd rounder - that's more than most will get from that pick.
He has 8 good to very good picks in 4 drafts with a few more really solid ones in there. Yes, Speaks busted in a BIG way and CEH has disappointed, but that's the draft for you. Nobody bats 1.000.
If you add 2-3 starters per draft to your club, you're doing extremely well.
After a rocky start, there is little to nothing to complain about with Veach's draft record. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
You have to compare it to how many picks he’s had. I’m not saying he’s bad but before last year you can name one difference maker he drafted over 3+ drafts
Sneed and Gay.
Thornhill was well on his way and had a fluke injury. Hardman is finding his way guys - not sure why so many are so eager to shovel dirt on him (and this is from a guy who didn't like the pick from the second it was made). If Fenton is even 80% as good as a starter as he was as a 3rd CB, that's an ENORMOUS win.
guys, we won a SB with a 'stars and scrubs' roster. Then we made one more.
But the lack of quality depth cost us that ring, and now the bill has come due.
No, you're not going to replace Hill with any ONE PLAYER. But other offenses are just as productive with a combination of guys if not more so, and that's what we'll need to do going forward.
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
You need to mix in those that were drafted at least 10 picks after each of those at 30-39 and 51-60, and could probably expand that even further with Veach and team's ability to scout talent. Tyreek was a 5th round pick...
even that is a false equivalency. There are 5 picks in the trade, and it freed up $20 plus million a year. So pick a late first, a late second, two fourths, and a sixth round pick and then $20 million worth of free agent signings. [Reply]