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Nzoner's Game Room>Damien Williams: is it time for a change?
dlphg9 09:54 PM 10-18-2019
I know the title is my own question, but I'm going to answer my own question. This guy has very clearly shown that last year was an absolute fluke. He can't do anything worth a shit and if Veach wouldn't have given him a stupid ass extension, then he'd be off this team. In what universe do you keep giving the ball to a guy that has 41 rushes for 70 yards and 1.7 ypc. This last game was absolute dog shit 11 total touches for 6 ****ing yards. Are you kidding me? He shouldn't touch the ball again.

Bad is an understatement. He's horrendous. Literally the absolute worst back in the league. There are 43 qualified players and he ranks 43rd in ypc. He's at 1.7 ypc and no one else is under 3.0 ypc. The distance between him and the 42nd rank player, Le'Veon Bell, is 1.3 ypc. The distance between Le'Veon Bell and the 20th ranked player, Chris Carson, is 1.3 ypc.

This is definitely something that needs brought up more. That's gotta be some kind of record for worst ever. We are seeing history boys. The absolute worst RB performance in the history of the game or close. I took off the hide non qualifiers filter and it looks even worse. He's 192 out of 227. There are only 5 other players with 10+ carries that average less ypc, it's pretty much a Who's Who of most electric runners in the league.

#194 Kalen Ballage - 22 car/36 yards/1.6 ypc/13 carries since being demoted from being a starter 3 games ago

#198 Joe Flacco - 11 car/11 yards/1.0 ypc/He's a statue of a QB. **** id hope Williams would have more ypc than this bum. Spoiler alert - all the rest of this list is the same. Statue QBs.

#208 Jared Goff
#210 Jimmy G.
#213 Tom Brady

Did some more research and going all the way back to 1999, so 20 other years, and the lowest ypc for qualified runners is 2.5 ypc in 1999. The average of all the lowest ypc is 2.9. I can't believe how bad that he has been. There is no way anyone can even try to defend him. He's the king of shit fest running backs and for Reid to continue to allow him to play is egregious.
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Megatron96 04:36 PM 10-29-2019
Originally Posted by DTVietnam:
2019

69 carries 2 lost fumbles...both in big moments..1 cost us the game
So, we just ignore 10 years worth of historical data? McCoy has suddenly, after ten years of being one of the least fumble-prone RBs in NFL history, become 'fumble-prone'?

How does that happen exactly? Is there a precedent you can cite?

Or is this just about your "feelings"?
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TEX 04:43 PM 10-29-2019
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
So, we just ignore 10 years worth of historical data? McCoy has suddenly, after ten years of being one of the least fumble-prone RBs in NFL history, become 'fumble-prone'?

How does that happen exactly? Is there a precedent you can cite?

Or is this just about your "feelings"?
Sure, and this is easy...For the past 10 seasons, he wasn't as old as he is now. There is that time when something was fine, until it breaks. :-)
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FloridaMan88 04:44 PM 10-29-2019
Originally Posted by dls6501:
Damien Williams should receive the bulk of RB touches. Just my opinion, but he is our best RB.
Averaging barely 2 YPC?

That is a down waster.

Like a guaranteed incomplete pass.
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New World Order 04:57 PM 10-29-2019
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Averaging barely 2 YPC?

That is a down waster.

Like a guaranteed incomplete pass.
Holy shit it is 2.1 :-)
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lcarus 05:04 PM 10-29-2019
I think we're fine at RB. McCoy has been good other than the 2 fumbles, and I have a feeling he won't fumble from here on out. I actually like both Williams and I'd like to see Darwin Thompson get a couple plays per game. Yeah he's too small to be an every down back but he can give us some big plays in my opinion.
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PAChiefsGuy 05:25 PM 10-29-2019
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
So, we just ignore 10 years worth of historical data? McCoy has suddenly, after ten years of being one of the least fumble-prone RBs in NFL history, become 'fumble-prone'?

How does that happen exactly? Is there a precedent you can cite?

Or is this just about your "feelings"?
That's great it hasn't been an issue in the past but this season it obviously has been an issue so it needs to get fixed if he wants to continue to get carries.
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Megatron96 10-29-2019, 05:27 PM
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ThaVirus 05:49 PM 10-29-2019
Damien ran hard Sunday night. Looked like the guy who showed up for last postseason.

Seems he was more injured than we knew or he finally realized he was fighting for his job.
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chiefzilla1501 06:04 PM 10-29-2019
Originally Posted by TEX:
Sure, and this is easy...For the past 10 seasons, he wasn't as old as he is now. There is that time when something was fine, until it breaks. :-)
No doubt has to be addressed. Gotta tuck the ball better. Just don't agree with fans who are calling him a career fumbler (which implies that this isn't fixable) or that his one-handed palming the ball is what's causing the problem (as awkward as that is, he hasn't fumbled much over 10 years doing that).
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DTVietnam 07:20 PM 10-29-2019
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
So, we just ignore 10 years worth of historical data? McCoy has suddenly, after ten years of being one of the least fumble-prone RBs in NFL history, become 'fumble-prone'?

How does that happen exactly? Is there a precedent you can cite?

Or is this just about your "feelings"?


He was good/almost elite..and now hes old and sucks ..what dont you get about it
maybe if we had a time machine and we had 2013 Mccoy we'd be all set
maybe we should ge Jerry Rice..going off history he should be our WR1


aside from the fumbles he can never break it to the endzone..always gets tackled by the last guy
he can only scoree if hes inside the 10..Damien can break them. . he couldnt even score on the hook and ladder. .

he should be a change of pace back for Damien . .but hes not an everyd down guy

the guy is a liability. .
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Megatron96 07:28 PM 10-29-2019
Originally Posted by DTVietnam:
He was good/almost elite..and now hes old and sucks
maybe if we had a time machine and we had 2013 Mccoy we'd be all set
maybe we should ge Jerry Rice..going off history he should be our WR1


aside from the fumbles he can never break it to the endzone..always gets tackled by the last guy
he can only scoree if hes inside the 10..Damien can break them. . he couldnt even score on the hook and ladder. .

he should be a change of pace back for Damien . .but hes not an everyd down guy

the guy is a liability. .
He's been the most consistent RB on the team, in spite of the health issues of our OL. When Damien was averaging 1.5yds/carry and Darrel 3.6, Shady was still averaging 5.2 yds/carry. And he's by far the most consistent pass pro RB we have, far better than either Damien or Darrel. As a receiver it's not even a contest, Shady is better than some of our WRs.

And Jerry could probably still play. But he's not human.
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Titty Meat 07:44 PM 10-29-2019
He ran hard but his bread and butter is in the passing game where hes still an asset. Definitely keep him.
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DTVietnam 10:26 PM 10-29-2019

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BWillie 10:49 PM 10-29-2019
We are so fickle in Chiefsplanet. At the start of the year it was Damien Williams is the next best thing, then it was Damien Williams should be cut, now it's Damien Williams should start again.

Damien Williams isn't good. He's never been good. He sucked before he came to KC. But his value is he is an above average pass catching back.

Then it was LeSean McCoy? We don't need him. He sucks. Then he comes to KC and people are like he's playing like a Top 5 back to he shouldn't see the field. Reality? McCoy is a slightly below avg back who is maybe a tad turnover prone. Just because he carries the ball wrong, doesn't necessarily mean he's fumble prone. His historical stats show he fumbles at about league average.

What we should do? Feature both McCoy and Williams. They both serve a role and are important for our run game.
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MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 11:13 PM 10-29-2019
Originally Posted by DTVietnam:
That motherfucker holding the ball like he always does. With one hand away from his body. Someone should be like Charles Billingsley in Friday night lights and use that duct tape
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BossChief 11:34 PM 10-29-2019
He’s always held the ball like that. It’s the trade off for having a guy that can give you consistent big plays. He rarely fumbles, but has twice this season and we hate the situations those happened in.

I’d still have McCoy start.
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