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Nzoner's Game Room>Has our defense been HARSHLY judged?
HolyHandgernade 05:37 PM 09-23-2018
Originally Posted by Randallflagg:
Indeed. Why the hell not. Sutton proves week after week that he isn't going to change up the Defense. It's time to send him packing and trying someone else. If not now, DEFINITELY at the end of the season.

Sutton needs to go.
A 3-0 team is not firing their DC mid season.
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ThaVirus 05:50 PM 09-23-2018
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Sutton isn’t the only piece of this diarrhea defense puzzle.

But he’s a pretty damn fucking big piece.

The 2003 Chiefs defense, people forget, had a couple blowouts. They got turnovers and stayed aggressive when they had leads against shitty teams.

This team will never do that because of Sutton
We've blown hella teams out in the Reid/Sutton era.. Come on, man.
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ping2000 03:41 PM 09-23-2018
They need to donate their pay to charity. It was not earned.
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T-post Tom 04:35 PM 09-23-2018
Laughed at the premise of the original post yesterday. Today I don't know if I should laugh or cry. To think of this defense causing an early playoff loss despite having this offensive juggernaut...well... :-)
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modocsot 04:44 PM 09-23-2018
It’s only a matter of time until a wise coach of an opposing team will realize that they just need to continue to go for it on fourth down against this defense.. The math would be in their favor. Our D would tire quickly. They’d score over 50 points and win the game.
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DRM08 04:54 PM 09-23-2018
Originally Posted by modocsot:
It’s only a matter of time until a wise coach of an opposing team will realize that they just need to continue to go for it on fourth down against this defense.. The math would be in their favor. Our D would tire quickly. They’d score over 50 points and win the game.
They struggled to stop people on 3rd and 20. I agree with you. Go for it on 4th down every time against this defense.
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ping2000 04:58 PM 09-23-2018
No.
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Jimmya 05:06 PM 09-23-2018
They were hammering Sutton on sports radio "we've seen this storyline before" referencing the Colts and Titans debacle.
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RealSNR 05:13 PM 09-23-2018
Sutton isn’t the only piece of this diarrhea defense puzzle.

But he’s a pretty damn fucking big piece.

The 2003 Chiefs defense, people forget, had a couple blowouts. They got turnovers and stayed aggressive when they had leads against shitty teams.

This team will never do that because of Sutton
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chiefzilla1501 05:16 PM 09-23-2018
The problem continues to be... Why do we just suck donkey balls when we're protecting a lead? Once a-damn-gain the defense played pretty solid then just completely stumbled over themselves once we got up by a few. Aq
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Chiefnj2 05:20 PM 09-23-2018
It's more of a case of lack of execution rather than scheme
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HolyHandgernade 05:28 PM 09-23-2018
They're not a good defense because they can't enforce their will upon the other team. But, I look at this team a bit differently than most. The defense plays well enough to allow the offense to build a lead and then plays prevent to drain time and not get beat for quick scores.

Its a frustrating strategy, especially for those of us who remember the glory years of the defense in KC, but say what you will, it is a winning strategy. It is not allowing the opposing team enough time to catch up and trusting the offense can bail out if necessary.

If we play more honest and pressing defense like we did in the first half, considering the injuries we have on the back end, it makes sense to give up the short and middle stuff to eat up time. It doesn't matter if you win by 1 or 30. If, on the other hand, you try play more aggressive, making the safeties more vulnerable, you run the risk of quicker scoring by the offense.

If I knew the safeties we have could get the job done, I would be more comfortable going to a more aggressive set. But if you know the safeties are vulnerable and you're consistently up over 20 points in the games, I think its smart to keep the action in front of them and make them eat the clock, hope you get a stop every once and a while or hold to a field goal.

We don't have the Rams' defense, its time to stop wishing we did. We will try to take advantage of our offense, hope the defense can do their part to stake early leads, and then hold on. So far, it is a winning strategy.
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chiefzilla1501 06:00 PM 09-23-2018
Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade:
They're not a good defense because they can't enforce their will upon the other team. But, I look at this team a bit differently than most. The defense plays well enough to allow the offense to build a lead and then plays prevent to drain time and not get beat for quick scores.

Its a frustrating strategy, especially for those of us who remember the glory years of the defense in KC, but say what you will, it is a winning strategy. It is not allowing the opposing team enough time to catch up and trusting the offense can bail out if necessary.

If we play more honest and pressing defense like we did in the first half, considering the injuries we have on the back end, it makes sense to give up the short and middle stuff to eat up time. It doesn't matter if you win by 1 or 30. If, on the other hand, you try play more aggressive, making the safeties more vulnerable, you run the risk of quicker scoring by the offense.

If I knew the safeties we have could get the job done, I would be more comfortable going to a more aggressive set. But if you know the safeties are vulnerable and you're consistently up over 20 points in the games, I think its smart to keep the action in front of them and make them eat the clock, hope you get a stop every once and a while or hold to a field goal.

We don't have the Rams' defense, its time to stop wishing we did. We will try to take advantage of our offense, hope the defense can do their part to stake early leads, and then hold on. So far, it is a winning strategy.
It's a winning strategy in the regular season. It's not a good recipe in the playoffs and sends a big clue as to why Andy Reid has won a lot of playoff games, but also has lost plenty in frustrating fashion.

I just don't understand with an explosive team, why make a game close at the end when you could just put it away. It's not like we're talking about icing games in the 4th quarter. We go into this mode the minute we're up by 2 scores, even if that's in the 1st quarter. I'm not sure a DC change fixes this.
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ThaVirus 06:06 PM 09-23-2018
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
It's a winning strategy in the regular season. It's not a good recipe in the playoffs and sends a big clue as to why Andy Reid has won a lot of playoff games, but also has lost plenty in frustrating fashion.

I just don't understand with an explosive team, why make a game close at the end when you could just put it away. It's not like we're talking about icing games in the 4th quarter. We go into this mode the minute we're up by 2 scores, even if that's in the 1st quarter. I'm not sure a DC change fixes this.
We've had two of the worst defensive collapses in playoff history. I see nothing to suggest that strategy is likely to change.

At this point, we can only hope Mahomes is able to Reid-proof this team.
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HolyHandgernade 06:17 PM 09-23-2018
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
It's a winning strategy in the regular season. It's not a good recipe in the playoffs and sends a big clue as to why Andy Reid has won a lot of playoff games, but also has lost plenty in frustrating fashion.

I just don't understand with an explosive team, why make a game close at the end when you could just put it away. It's not like we're talking about icing games in the 4th quarter. We go into this mode the minute we're up by 2 scores, even if that's in the 1st quarter. I'm not sure a DC change fixes this.
I get that. But the playoffs are still a long ways out, and the makeup of our defense may be different by that time. Some of our players are new and may gel better by then.

My only hope right now is that the defense played really well in the first half and showed improvement from the previous two weeks. Heat and exhaustion are always a concern in the early part of the year. I imagine some of it was also too much juice for the home opener which produced a performance drop off in the second half.

Until someone shows they can stop this offense and the defense does enough to get the victory, I'm not going to panic. Two of those victories were on the road. All three offenses are some of the better offenses in the League. Its just too early to say the defense won't be enough for this offense in the playoffs.
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